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Sidney Crosby can thank the anti-vaccination movement for the mumps

In the 1960’s, a time when Sidney Crosby’s still-living predecessors Gordie Howe and Bobby Hull were filling seats at NHL arenas, there were 400 annual deaths and 50,000 annual hospitalizations from the measles.

Sidney Crosby has the mumps. It’s a story trending in Canada because, well, mix anything with hockey in Canada and it will trend. But this particular news has ramifications far beyond the world of pucks and sticks and skates.

Pittsburgh Penguins center Sidney Crosby, the best hockey player in the world, has been all over the television of late, sporting a cartoonishly swollen face. Crosby, like as many as a dozen other NHL’ers, has the mumps. The outbreak has affected at least five NHL teams and dumbfounded the team’s training staff, who have not seen anything like it. Crosby has been placed in solitary confinement.

The mumps shouldn’t exist. But they do. Why? because some simply refuse to get a vaccination that is proven to prevent the illness. And we all have to live with the consequences of their actions because many of these diseases are off-the-charts contagious. The mumps can be spread through coughing, sneezing, a Gatorade bottle on the bench, a right cross to the face from a Boston Bruins goon. You get the picture.

Some of the people currently spreading the mumps self-identify with the anti-vaccination movement, a dangerous and scantly informed craze that is probably best known for semi-celebrity Jenny McCarthy, who claimed her son’s autism was caused by a vaccine. It was later debated as to whether her son had autism to begin with.

McCarthy was taking her cues from a fraudulent 1998 research paper written by the discredited former surgeon Andrew Wakefield, a charlatan who had planned to launch a venture that would line his pockets on the back of bad science.

As Alexandra Sifferlin wrote in TIME Magazine earlier this year, the dumb-dumb trend is accelerating.

“Diseases that are and have been avoidable in the U.S. thanks to vaccines, are resurfacing all across the country. Measles, for instance, was considered wiped out in 2000, but there have been several outbreaks in the past few years.”

Sidney Crosby got the mumps. It’s the fault of the anti-vaccination movement, which is more dangerous and misinformed than it even knows.

 

The anti-vaccination movement is strong enough that is has begun to put a dent in diseases that were thought to be eradicated. Scientists consider an eradication level of 95% ensured what is referred to as “herd immunity” or “community immunity”. Achieving this herd immunity is important because the mumps vaccine is just 88% effective, explaining why someone can easily contract the disease even if they have been vaccinated, as Crosby was.

But diseases like Measles, Whooping Cough and Chicken Pox are on the rise again. Sifferlin details a case in 2011 in which a unvaccinated Berkeley student was the suspected source of an outbreak that resulted in 29 cases on the school’s California campus. Earlier this year, in Ohio, a serious outbreak of the mumps hit central Ohio, a state that had already been dealing with a record outbreak of measles.

In July, the Washington State Department of Health reported the first confirmed measles death in the United States in 12 years.

In Crosby’s home province of Nova Scotia, where there are no anti-vaccination campaigns, there has not been an outbreak of the measles.

The province in which Crosby played his junior hockey, Quebec, recently suffered an outbreak of measles that soared to 119 confirmed cases.

The good news for hockey fans is that Sidney Crosby should be back on the ice very soon. Patients diagnosed with the mumps normally recover in about a week. In rare cases, however, serious complications such as meningitis, encephalitis, and deafness might occur.

How long will it be before a vaccine preventable disease presents a much more serious scare? In the 1960’s, a time when Crosby’s still-living predecessors Gordie Howe and Bobby Hull were filling seats at NHL arenas, there were 400 annual deaths and 50,000 annual hospitalizations from the measles.

The anti-vaccination movement is more dangerous and misinformed than it even knows. If the Canadian public can be educated about the risks of bad science through hockey, our national sport might prove educational as well as entertaining.

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  1. If Sidney Crosby had been vaccinated, and he was, what was the point of being vaccinated if he still got the mumps?

  2. the point is less people are being vaccinated, therefore the existence of mumps has increased which then increases its chances of being contracted by others vaccinated or not. i suggest you look up “herd immunity” which the article also happens to bring up..

  3. Hey, I’m all for immunizations, but if we’re getting immunized and still getting the disease, what’s the point?

  4. Either you chose not to read the article or you need a refresher on either reading, or have to work on your reading comprehension. The vaccine is 88% effective, on average. You won’t stop all of the cases, but you restrict the efficacy of the disease to a point where it cannot spread.

  5. the more people immunized then the less chance of the disease existing in the first place. like the article mention, the mumps vaccine is 88% effective which is better than not being protected at all… but less people vaccinated = more people infected = causing that 12% in vaccinated people to be more probable. it’s the anti-vaccination people who are causing others to get the disease. like i said, i suggest looking up herd immunity or re-read the article.

  6. Or, in Sidney’s case, the vaccine was 100% not effective. He must be so glad he got that booster shot not even 2 years ago before he left for the Socchi Olympics. Jenny McCarthy is the anti Christ

  7. if the vaccine is 88% effective then the disease still has a 12% chance per person of being contracted and then spreading throughout the population. If Crosby was vaccinated and still contracted the disease then why is this article working so hard to berrate anti-vaccinators? This article is just using this event as a reason to bash the anti-vaccine movement. I’m all for a vaccine that has been tried, tested and is necessary for preventing deadly diseases but we have become a culture manipulated by constant fear. Big pharma makes a product and sells it like any other manufacturer and if there is no need for their product then there is a very good chance that in order to sell their product they must create a demand as in an outbreak. Speculation? Maybe but it seems awful convenient that every time we have a new flu epidemic there just happens to be millions of vaccines months away from their best before date just sitting on a shelf collecting dust. If I don’t need a pack of gum I’m not going to buy it even if the media is claiming there is an outbreak of bad breath.

  8. 100 people
    90 are vaccinated; 10 are infected
    and lets say 12% of those 90 got unlucky we now have
    20 infected; but no one else will ever get it

    Now; 100 people
    10 are infected, 90 aren’t vaccinated
    oh wait; they’re all infected now, my mistake

    If you still don’t get it, I’m sorry but you’re an idiot.
    Get the vaccinations; no they won’t make you immortal and immune to everything; but they’ll give you a chance, which is better than none.

    Of course if golbal epidemics are something you want to be a part of in the future and effecting the lives of this generations children, grandchildren etc is of no concern to you; then yeah go ahead, be an idiot.

    Y’know what’s “awfully convenient”? There being outbreaks with vaccinations available; but the general consensus is “hurr durr, vaccinations r le bad” – I wonder why the outbreaks have still happened?

  9. I take offence as a Bruins fan to the goon comment since none of the Bruins players have the mumps thank you very much.

  10. I understand herd immunity and I understand the article but in this instance Crosby was vaccinated and still got infected essentially infecting others. So how, in this case were anti vaccinators causing others to get the disease, in this case it was the vaccinated… My point is this article is hypocritically using this unfortunate event to bash people.

  11. The writer of this article is Hilariously unaware that Sidney Crosby got both doses of his Mumps Vaccine and STILL got the mumps. That glaring error aside, this article is full of bad assumptions and bad information.

  12. The article said he was vaccinated. Also stated that you can catch mumps even if you are vaccinated.

  13. In terms of the flu shot… the influenza virus mutates very rapidly. This means that mutations that help the virus will survive and continue infecting people. So when a vaccine is released it cannot be used the following year because by then the virus is already mutated and the vaccine does not work. This is why you must get a flu shot every year because the flu is different every year. It is not so much influenced by pharma as it is by the government trying to immunize people and reduce the load on the healthcare system. If you don’t get the flu shot will you die? Well not if you are middle aged and healthy but if you are a child or elderly a bad flu can kill you. The flu shot is just a preventative measure with very little negative consequence for getting it.

  14. you’re right, he does say it. I missed it my first read through. Though I can’t help but wonder why he wrote a pro-vaccine article with THIS as his example. Not only was Sidney vaccinated, his last booster was a couple years ago, so he is in the range when he should be most protected. This is literally the worst example possible to make a pro-vaccine case.

  15. I blame the pro-vaccine movement for Sidney getting the mumps. It’s a quasi informed movement headed by pseudo celebrities like Penn and Teller. If poor Sidney hadn’t been vaccinated as a child, he would have caught the mumps earlier and been left with life-long immunity, instead of being given multiple boosters to no effect. It’s almost as if the Health nurses were also Bruins fans.

  16. Anti-vaccination movement? Sheer propaganda. There is a laundry list of facts pointing to vaccinations being the reason people catch diseases, not preventing them.

    Someone will have to explain to the author of this article how Crosby whom already had his vaccination still contracted the disease…

    Easy answer, because the vaccination doesn’t work.

    If these people really want to scientifically prove something, keep tabs on the diets of all these elite athletes.. Then start to dissect exactly what their eating correlates to what. You will find stunning similarities

  17. Or he might have died as a child from complications of meningitis or encephalitis and 99.9% of the world would never have heard of him.

  18. Stop all travelling to Africa, India, Japan, South America etc. then if the 10% that are immunized and immunization isn’t effective as they can bring it with them and spread it to others that possibly have had the shot. A little ignorant to think this is the anti-vaccination’s movements fault. The writer of this article…not so savy!

  19. Because if it weren’t for the stupidity of anti-vaxxers, maybe 98% of us would be vaccinated and mumps basically eradicated…so no now would be exposed to it.

  20. Actually I suggest YOU look up herd immunity as herd immunity actually refers to the LIFELONG IMMUNITY you get from getting a disease NATURALLY. Since vaccines are not 100% effective, there is no such thing as herd immunity with them.

  21. Lexs, you lost all credibility when you came storming out of the gates accusing the writer of not knowing Crosby was vaccinated when it was in fact YOU who was hilariously unaware. How do you just ‘miss’ such a vital piece of information when you read? Reading comprehension that of a 10-year-old? If so, you should maybe read everything 2 or 3 times before you post.

    With that in mind, it’s not ‘literally the worst example’ for making a pro-vaccine case. The whole point is that when you decide to not get vaccinated, you are nearly 10x as likely to contract the disease. That’s not only bad for you, but it’s bad for the community because you’re endangering other people.

    Please, indulge us though on what other bad assumptions and information the author had, though. So far the only bad information was found in your original post about Crosby’s vaccination.

  22. Again, read the article. Vaccines don’t provide full immunity – they just slow the spread of the disease to a degree that treatment becomes manageable.

    Think of it this way. You have a bunch of gasoline in a bucket. That’s the mumps. You pour in a bunch of water. That’s the vaccination. It doesn’t stop your bucket from having a flammable substance – it’s just far less flammable.

    Make sense?

  23. Eradicate? Do you know how many strains of mumps there is? You have the mentality of head lice, no matter how much we wash those bugs away, they are still around. Even with proper hygiene. Get my point?

  24. Your argument is this: “If some people wear seat-belts and still die in car accidents, then why does anyone wear a seat-belt.”

  25. That’s not my point at all, if you read my comment with any brain cells to understand it, using your “example” it would sound a little more like this. If a person dies in a car crash but he was wearing his seat-belt why are we shitting on the ones who don’t wear seat-belts? It has absolutely nothing to do with this particular car crash… Do you now get the point I’m trying to make about how this article is written?

  26. Wow dude, you just don’t get it. People like you are the *exact* reason why patients should follow their doctors’ orders, not those of some pseudo-science spewing ignoramus.

  27. Don’t waste your time trying to educate an anti-vax nutbag. Even his use of the term “pro-vaccine” should set off red flags.

  28. Google is your friend. Try to read up a bit on herd immunity. And remember, we trained in this stuff for many years after college, and many years in the real world. Listening to some anti-vaxxer bloviate on wholly unsupported pseudoscience is NOT the same thing.

  29. *sigh* If people were getting vaccinated throughout the populations Sid was exposed to, he would have never caught it in the first place. THAT is herd immunity! Less people can catch it, therefore, less people will have any chance of spreading it.

  30. Kyle: We’ve tried, but you’re truly either stupid or willfully ignorant; possibly both. Please don’t breed.

  31. Nice try, but this is a wasted effort. Dr. Jenny seems to be the preferred source of their medical research. Fcking morons.

  32. Martin: Exactly what is your training in medicine, virology, or epidemiology? Because if you have any at all, you should get a refund from your college and grad/med school. If you don’t, you should probably s t f u before you embarrass yourself even more.

  33. Wow, there are a LOT of idiots posting on this article. And this, folks, is who we are up against when trying to educate the public on something that is seemingly pretty simple. smfh.

  34. Ok but you need to think about prob a I kites and percentages. Would you rather play a game of Russian roulette with 10 people or one? With 10 ppl your chance of dying is 10%. With one it’s 50%. But you might die in even the 10% scenario.

    Likewise, seat belts increase the PROBABILITY of surviving a car crash, not a guarantee of it. Ipso facto, it’s much smarter to wear one.

    And vaccines significantly LOWER the probability of catching said disease, but does not eliminate the risk.

    In the case of Crosby…..he got the mumps from someone who got the mumps from someone who got the mumps from blah blah. The point is, if thy ALL had been vaxed, it’s extremely unlikely that that chain would have continued long enough for Crosby to even get it. It would be like continuing to hit 34 on roulette for 5 times in a row. Possible, sure. But very unlikely.

  35. Vaccinations are critical! Not only for people but for animals also & when people forego vaccinations for themselves & their animals THIS is what happens. When you are vaccinated against a disease such as the mumps it does not mean you could not be infected with that virus but it will protect you from becoming far more ill than if you were not vaccinated.

  36. There is also a chance the vaccine itself caused the mumps, as is documented in the mumps vaccine insert. This is also not discussed in the article. Vaccines can and do cause the exact same disease they target. I wonder if the writer read the mumps vaccine insert before writing the article, to discuss the chance that the vaccine caused the disease inside the world’s best hockey player? Do the owners of NHL teams know that vaccines can cause disease in their players, the exact disease the vaccine targets?

  37. You completely missed his point. There would be no outbreak if everyone had the vaccination. The less people who get vaccinated, the more likely they get the disease and then spread it to others. It is actually the best case to counter the nutjob anti-Vaccine movement. It is the unvaccinated causing these outbreaks. it’s simple, if everyone gets the vaccine the disease will be eradicated. What is hard to understand???

  38. You people drive me bananas. Here is the definition of herd immunity!!!

    Community Immunity (“Herd Immunity”)

    Vaccines can prevent outbreaks of disease and save lives.

    When a critical portion of a community is immunized against a contagious disease, most members of the community are protected against that disease because there is little opportunity for an outbreak. Even those who are not eligible for certain vaccines—such as infants, pregnant women, or immunocompromised individuals—get some protection because the spread of contagious disease is contained. This is known as “community immunity.”

  39. Not to be rude, but if you are asking that question, you don’t understand herd immunity.

    As the article states, the vaccine is 88% effective. Not 100% – and it is still incredibly contagious. In 2000 mumps was considered eradicated because a very high percentage of the population was immunized resulting in very few people being infected. Now, with more and more people choosing not to vaccinate there are more infections.

    That threatens not just those who aren’t vaccinated, but also those who are. That’s what people mean when they say it is the unvaccinated who have caused the outbreak. You need to hit a certain percentage of the population in order to have herd immunity. Some people are not vaccinating their children, therefore herd immunity is threatened and even the immunized get sick.

  40. Gosh I sure wish there were a vaccine to prevent stupid. But then again, you’d probably decide not to get it anyway.

  41. No it doesn’t. Why get on people’s case for not vaccinating (these people are already in the minority at 2-5% of the population) while in reality the vaccine is only 75% effective (as reported on the news last night). Vaccines are only one tool in disease management, not a magic bullet that makes viruses disappear. I little realism and honesty would go a long way to improving vaccination rates.

  42. “There would be no outbreak if everyone had the vaccination.” Unfortunately that simply isn’t the case. Mumps vaccines has a relatively low efficacy rate compared to the small pox or polio vaccine. Even if 100% of the population was vaccinated (as opposed to the current 95%) there would still be isolated outbreaks.

  43. you don’t know that. All those infected in this case were vaccinated, there has been no proof that they came in contact with vaccinated populations.

  44. OR…is it possible that the very vaccines that are suppose to be preventing these diseases are THE VERY ONES THAT ARE IN FACT GIVING THE DISEASE(S) THEMSELVES THE ABILITY TO COME BACK??!! Think about it Einstein! It looks like the writer is quite misinformed…not surprising considering the (MIS) information from mainstream media!

  45. The one thing that surprises me is that no one is asking why there are no booster programs out there. Since mumps requires a booster after 20 years, technically most of the population isn’t immune. Therefore the herd argument falls flat on examination.

  46. The term “herd immunity” was introduced when people were contracting illnesses, recovering, and then receiving full, natural immunity for life.

    The power of herd immunity is dwindling because we are toying with how our bodies are designed to react to sickness. We are no longer receiving the powerful natural immunity that our bodies are meant to have.
    The vast majority of people recover from the mumps within a week, yet the fear mongers out there will lead you to believe that all of these illnesses will destroy mankind if we stop vaccinating.
    If we shed some more light and research on the reactions and ramifications of over-vaccinating, I’ll tell you that looks far more scary to me.

    Why are we getting sicker? Why do we have more cancer than any other nation? We eat poor quality GMO food and have one of the highest sugar intake diets in the world, we inject ourselves with poison, and take pain killers, antibiotics, and medication for absolutely everything.
    We are not meant to live like this.
    Crosby will be just fine, life will go on.

  47. Why can’t anyone here understand Herd Immunity? Do they read it in the article, not understand it, and just not wonder what it means? And then they come here to the comments asking “why vaccinate at all if Syndey got it and it’s not 100% effective?”

    He wouldn’t have gotten it if everyone else was vaccinated you idiots.

  48. you comments are an excellent example of the weak logic Kelly is referring to. Just because vaccines in general have done great things, doesn’t mean this or that specific vaccine gets a free ride. All medical procedures need to be constantly monitored, examined and justified.

  49. I don’t know why we have switched to the flu, but your logic is twisted. If millions of people aren’t dying from the flu, and you are otherwise healthy, you are probably better off just getting the flu and letting your natural immunity do its thing. The flu shot here in Canada last year was less than 25% effective. If any other drug was that ineffective, it wouldn’t be allowed on the market.

  50. It’s a live attenuated virus that people are injected with. If you just have received this vaccine, you are contagious. For 10%-15% of the population the vaccine is ineffective. Some produce anti bodies against the vaccine.
    – People have 1 out of the 10 strains of the mumps virus worldwide used in the vaccines. So no we are not all protected against every single strain. While there are undetermined amounts of the strains unaccounted for up to 50+ and not accounting for the mutations constantly happening. So to those that say this disease should be eradicated by now, pull you head out of your … Nature is stronger then us.

  51. I get all that, and yes, I missed the author saying it. To indulge you on the main issues with this article, is that it paints the picture that we are having some kind of major Mumps epidemic, or outbreak, or resurgence. But when you look at the CDC data on mumps: http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/mumps.html ….you will notice that Mumps is at an all-time rock-bottom low. there’s very small flare ups, but little else in decades now. This is despite many people not getting the vaccine. Vaccination rates for what is, where I am, called the MMR vaccine, are far from great. Yet the disease is as good as eradicated…and again, as the CDC data shows, this wasn’t exactly a hardcore, super dangerous sickness anyway.

  52. Too late. Stupid is as stupid does. It would be great if the anti vax movement worked like natural selection and essentially wiped itself out, but this idiocy has consequences for the entire population…

  53. There is, it is called education. And you are right, they decide not to get it anyway, and it continues to spread…

  54. Exactly ….. A lot of nice perfect sheep out there , last time I checked , anti-vaccers weren’t making a trillion dollars a year ….. Should be so simple to figure out , it does way more harm than good but if you own the media and lobby the people into power , we are a screwed herd ……

  55. and if you get the flu and hide yourself in isolation, GREAT!. But if you infect 5 others, and those 5 infect 5 others, and so forth, someone can die as a result of your choice to not get the flu shot which would’ve lessened the likelihood of you getting the flu in the first place.

  56. Typical… adds nothing tto the conversation as to not get reemed out for being stupid, calls other people stupid

  57. “…pro-vaccine movement is…a quasi informed movement headed by pseudo celebrities like Penn and Teller”

    OMFG, are you really that stupid? How about it’s an extremely well-informed movement led by doctors and scientists worldwide – you know, the people that go to school and actually understand this stuff? Go adjust your tinfoil hat and spew your garbage on some moon landing conspiracy site. smFh

  58. Wrong! You do not know how many were exposed to the mumps and did NOT get infected due to their vaccination. THINK!!!

  59. you moron! read the research papers, check the clinical trials, look at the body of medical research! There is ABUNDANT proof supporting all of this!

  60. no, actually, you need to check a mirror. You also need to abandon your emotional attachment to this issue and look at the facts. Science is not emotional; it is directed by DATA. This is all supported by overwhelming evidence and solid proof, not to mention well elucidated mechanisms of action for these viruses. What part of this are you not getting?

  61. Yeah brings nothing valuable to the conversation. No data, facts, no thought process. Just hardcore ignorance, insults and slings that stupid word like no tomorrow. Sad people can’t have a discussion while keeping it respectful and civil.

  62. Sorry Caroline, my patience for those who push pseudoscience has worn way too thin to be nice. Vaccinate your kids. Don’t make us all pay for your stupidity. This is not a topic open to opinion unless you are qualified to discuss it. Not all opinions are equally valid. If you have a medical or relevant scientific degree, I’m happy to talk. If you’re just a victim of confirmational bias and unable to think critically, I don’t have time for your input.

  63. Were you beat up as a child? Please refrain from calling people names. Intelligent criticism is respected but you sir, are out of control. Bring on the facts that vaccine have no side affects and the study of cancers on the rise. SIDS death increase since MMR was introduced. I believe vaccines are good for certain circumstances, but please don’t be so narrow minded.

  64. We don’t know that either, we’ll never know that. But at a 80% effective rate getting the mumps is something that can happen to anyone. Think of five people, one of them will be vaccinated and still able to get the mumps. There is no proof that this outbreak is due to the tiny number of people who refuse vaccination.

  65. First of all, this is the internet. Deal with it. If this were an intelligent conversation, then I would post intelligent criticism.

    Here’s an example, a bit extreme, but illustrates the point: I go out and get a flu shot and then later eat some bad shrimp and die of food poisoning. The equivalent illogical conclusion could be that the flu shot causes food poisoning-like symptoms and sometimes kills its recipients. Do you have ANY idea what the world looked like before these vaccines???

    Also, I’m not narrow at all. I am well-trained with an advanced degree in this field, and decades of experience.

  66. I don’t think you can lay that kind of guilt on someone when the vaccine is only working 50/50 at best. There is a reason a lot of health care providers resist calls for them to get their flu shot.

  67. I will try, but I honestly can’t make any promises. This topic is truly not debatable. This is clearly the result of a combination of lack of scientific/medical education and a keyboard with an internet connection. Despite the fact that we all have wifi does not make our voices of equal validity. Jenny Mccarthy is not a virologist.

  68. plus, your refering to an earlier poster as having the mentality of head lice might not rate too high on the politeness scale! lol. It did make me chuckle though.

  69. Lol! I know right! Sorry to the lady. I’m trying to be diplomatic. It’s hard right! Glad you had a good laugh. Cheers!

  70. Sorry if I’m rude on here, but this pseudoscience-driven misinformation is mind-numbing to me, and it is costing people’s lives. People are wholly uninformed and would rather believe in some big pharma conspiracy than listen to trained physicians and researchers. Trust me, we have no secret society where people offer us money to lie. Those people are quickly removed and shunned from the field. Google Andrew Jeremy Wakefield. He’s the dbag who falsified his paper linking MMR vaccine to autism. That single shameful and fraudulent publication has caused more damage than even he probably ever imagined.

  71. I’m one of the few sane voices here. His point was very clear, and I responded to it. The proof is very clear, supported by clinical studies, epidemiological studies, math, and the outbreak maps easily found online!

  72. vac·ci·nate
    ˈvaksəˌnāt/
    verb
    past tense: vaccinated; past participle: vaccinated
    treat with a vaccine to produce immunity against a disease;

  73. That’s ludicrous every topic is debatable… It’s easy for someone to dismiss others as tinfoil hat wearing nutjobs without adding any valuable information to a conversation but you have yet to do that so I’ll just assume you’re not the expert you are claiming to be.

  74. Let me answer that with another question: Why wear a condom and take the pill if there’s still a chance you get pregnant?

  75. If someone is wearing their seatbelt and dies in a crash anyway, should we all stop wearing our seatbelts? If someone doesn’t smoke and gets cancer, should we all light up?

  76. Again, you can’t seem to understand statistics. You can’t say Sid’s vaccine was 100% not effective, because for all you know he may have been exposed to the mumps 99 times before and this time he contracted it, making it 99% effective. Truthfully, even that is an oversimplification as it depends more on the nature of the contact, his health on that particular day and one hundred other things.

  77. Sure, ignore the science, but you guys are the problem. The vaccine works, look at the world before the vaccine compared to now. If you choose to believe that the vaccine is not responsible for the huge drop in deaths due to mumps, give me another explanation other than divine intervention. Stop giving into paranoia. I don’t like “big pharma”, but pretty sure the mumps vaccine has been around long enough it’s patent has expired. If so, it can be made by anyone and the generic versions are probably not raking huge profits for anyone. Also, if profits were the goal with mumps, why are we not seeing commercials saying have you had your booster? How are we being manipulated by fear wrt the mumps when I haven’t even heard of it for the past 25 years until this outbreak? And of course there is a flu vaccine waiting, they prepare a new one every year and manufacture it just before flu season. Our own government orders the vaccine and is responsible for putting it on the shelf

  78. Except we know that this did not happen, Crosby did not just get vaccinated nor I am certain did any of the other 14 or more players affected. There may now be many players getting vaccinated and we could keep tabs on how many come down with it, but in any case, this has already been studied to death. A more useful and valid question might be why so many people are willing to grasp at straws to justify their irrational belief that science and medicine are either out to intentionally harm them, or take all their money while delivering nothing.

  79. Translation: You are NOT taking offense to the use of the word “goon” to describe the Bruins, just that they can’t be responsible for transmitting the mumps when they don’t have it. In that case, I agree with you totally.

  80. I havent done either one, and have been with the same man for 18 years. We have 2 beautiful kids which both were planned and conceived right away so no issues with getting pregnant. Another form of birth control is called “PULLING OUT”. I dont have to put chemicals in my body over the years and then when i want to have children it is alot harder to conceive them, and I dont have to cut the pleasure down by a condom. The problem nowadays its all about chemical interference, instead of common sense. Hey its ok if I sleep around cause im on birth control, and we can use a condom…….and thats what we teach now. Instead of using common sense as maybe finding a spouse that has the same goals and you can trust, these things need to be installed into our children. There are an incredible amount of people who are having babies to try and trap men and think they will stick around, instead of actually finding a man that wants the same thing as you do.

  81. These diseases like mumps, measles, polio were almost extinct in the 60’s.. its these anti vaccine people who all got together and decided vaccines were bad and stopped immunizing their children in the 2000. Now thanks to them all of the diseases mentioned earlier and other are making there way back. We need Herd immunity to get it undet control. No vaccine no school, no sports. Just saying…..

  82. I feel like this is me just feeding the fire, but I think it will make sense to you. Mostly because I agree with you, and understand what you’re saying as I am married, and value having a partner that respects their body in that regard. So, as long as we got that covered, I hope that helps!

    I know for us personally, we want kids more than anything, but also get that financially (student loans are evil), and where our careers involve us always being busy, it would be really unwise and honestly unfair to the child to have a kid right now. So, my statement, used personally, has nothing to do with a 19 year old at a house party who just had a few too many jello shots. It blows my mind when I know my friends have “vodka babies” and the dad just peaced out.

    But to explain what I was getting at, and it is fact: you can be on birth control and use a condom, AND pull out, and still get pregnant. Nothing is 100% in that. So in context, immunizations are great, but they are like the condom – They generally protect you from catching or spreading something (in the case of the condom I simply mean procreating), but they don’t make it so you will never have an issue ever again … It would just be highly unlikely.

  83. If there were no mumps, there would be none to spread. Look at it this way: If I put on a bulletproof vest and walk out into a battlefield, I could still die from getting shot. The vest is not 100%. If we secure the area and I then walk into the area with my vest (or even without it), I’m pretty safe from being killed. Get it?

  84. And yet if we never vaccinated ever, and introduced our children to these diseases at young ages, there would be zero complications and lifetime immunity. I fail to see how us trying to manipulate the natural order of things(IN THIS CASE), is the educated way to go? I was vaccinated, and my child was as well. Having said that, based on new studies and information being released, it just makes logical sense not to vaccinate for things like the mumps. Had we not started this silly vaccination, there would be no risk in the first place.

  85. lol i stopped getting vaccines when i had a horrible reaction when i was younger.. haven’t been sick in like 15 years other than like 1 cold a year.. you retards can say what you want, but you know nothing about what these chemicals do to your body and brain.. just go back to sucking a big dick like you all like to do..

  86. you aren’t a trained physician, you are an inbred nutjob. you actually think pharmaceuticals are good? those companies are like oil companies.. everything is derived from natural substances and have chemicals added to make you dependent on them so the jew leeches can make maximum profit.. they don’t give a flat fuck about you.

  87. To those dithering about But. . . But . . . But Crosby was vaccinated & he got the mumps anyway!! 2 things: Anyone under 40 with a smallpox vax scar? No? . . . Why? Because the vaccination eliminated smallpox! Vaccines work. 2) 12% of folks don’t sero-convert, but even when that happens, vaccinated folks tend to get a milder form of the disease.

  88. lol maybe you shouldn’t spend so much time writing useless babble on vaccine publications, and do a little research on actual vaccines and the dangers of vaccines.. people don’t die because they don’t get vaccinated.. people die because they aren’t exposed to enough disease when they were younger and their bodies can’t handle it..

  89. lol the only people who share your thoughts are fucking dirty leeches who have stocks in some drug company… other than that you are on your own.

  90. to all these keyboard renegades who claim they know everything about vaccines and spend so much time defending them on social media sites, kiss my ass.. you are a global cancer.. its pieces of shit like you who make me wish that anyone with pharmaceutical stock loses everything.. hopefully at that point, they have nothing to live for, and end their lives.

  91. for those of you idiots who have no clue.. vaccines do nothing.. people get sick all the time having been vaccinated, where as alot of people who don’t get vaccinated do not get sick very often, and when they do it is not life threatening.. most of these diseases they want to vaccinate you for are compound chemicals themselves created in a lab.. go figure.. how many of you stupid clowns own drug stock i wonder?

  92. Apparently you didn’t read that article. It’s a classic case of abusing statistics to prove a point. It casually makes light that 85% of the population, when vaccinated, respond with immunity. It calls the vaccine a “dud” because 15% don’t respond. And that’s not going into the fact that it makes it sound like you have to have life-long vaccines when you only have to have two and with those two there is 88% immunity among the populace. It also cites all the cases that catch the diseases but doesn’t add in the statistics of how many of those people were vaccinated (guess what, most of them weren’t). Also, it’s still possible to catch the mumps but it’s much much harder because there will be tons of people around you which are completely immune and have no way to pass it to somebody who doesn’t respond as well to the vaccines. That’s herd immunity.

    You just bought that whole article hook, line and sinker and didn’t bother to pay attention to any of the very troublesome wording or identify it in the least. Of course you’re the same person who didn’t even realize the author of this article mentioned that the NHL player was actually vaccinated and you could still catch the mumps after being vaccinated. You ran to the comment section before you had even read the full article, or worse, you didn’t have the brains to process what was said and now you’re trying to influence people into doing something stupid.

  93. Do what the previous poster said. Look up herd immunity. A vaccination isn’t the same thing as immunity. Some people might get immunity, others will be extremely resistant, some will be more resistant and others the vaccine will have no effect. What happens is since a lot of people are immune and others are resistant it means that the people who can catch it will have a much much lower chance of catching the disease since few others around have it. That’s the basic principle of herd immunity. People who can’t get the vaccines due to allergies or have compromised immune systems are at extreme risks because certain people don’t believe in vaccinations.

    So not everyone will be as covered as somebody else. But as long as most of us who can get covered does it protects those who can’t be protected. Not getting a mumps vaccination and then walking into an hospital…well, think about that and what it means.

  94. This a a dangerous practice, and actually provides virtually the same immunity as a vaccine, but please tell us more about how you put your child through hell so you could make him as immune as a quick shot at the doctors would do.

    Misinformation is dangerous. Measles kills 2 in every 1000(just quick numbers on my part) where as the vaccine will have 1 allergic reaction for every million vaccinated, while offer almost the same immunity. Measles vaccine doesn’t last as long. Some other vaccines actually are better then immunity then natural, such as hib and tetanus.

  95. That is ridiculous. As a family we strongly believe in all immunization. When our youngest was 2 months, she contracted pertussis. Too young to have had her immunization against it. We, as parents, had no idea what was wrong with her. Our family physician and 2 other family physicians didn’t diagnose it correctly. It was only when we frantically drove her to a larger medical facility did we happen upon a paediatrician who instantly diagnosed her and immediately put her into quarantine for 10 days. Our physicians didn’t recognize Pertussis because they hadn’t seen it before (this was 11 years ago). Have no doubt “childhood illness’s” can be very serious. My child would have died. Is that what you call manipulating the natural order of things??

  96. Its these crazy non-vaccine people that keep the mumps around and let it get stronger. He had the mumps shot and a booster but a few doctors have said the virus may have mutated due to the non-vaccine movement children getting sick and letting the virus get strong enough to bypass the original vaccine. Doctors and scientists specialize in these fields… Why aren’t we listening to them? But we’ll rush out and buy Pro Active because Jennifer Love-Hewitt uses it… I don’t get it.

  97. You can accomplish the same thing without the toxic sludge through building a healthy immune system, stupid.

  98. Vaccines are far from a magic bullet. If fact, they’re more like a blank in a malfunctioning pistol playing Russian Roulette.

  99. One can still acquire, carry, and transmit a disease while still being vaccinated against it, stupid.

  100. that may have actually been the dumbest thing i’ve ever heard.. the vaccine didn’t exist until after the outbreak… obviously.. unless conspiracy theorists are right and these diseases are being created in a lab to try to scare people into getting their bodies consistently pumped with vile chemicals so people can make a fortune on the stock market…

  101. You better return your degree to Pamida for a refund and a large crate of TP, because you are FOS.

  102. Try again. First, the disease reduction predated the toxic shots and directly followed improvements in sanitation and hygiene. Second, they don’t resist disease because they wear off and mutations happen. Third, the shots are not compatible with the body’s natural immune system. (Most pro-poisoners on here have no glue about immunoglobulin activities!)

  103. lol and funded by bill gates.. get a fucking life dude.. vaccines are horrible.. you need to build a childs immune system from a young age, by letting them play in the mud every once in a while.. sounds like you haven’t done any research on the matter whatsoever.. and are really just some useless drug advertiser.. regular flu.. swine flu.. any kind of flu.. or whatever the hell they tell you to get vaccinated for are human created diseases that are engineered in laboratories to be countered by other drugs.. its not a conspiracy, its fact..

  104. its hilarious that some vaccines actually increased the number of cases for some specific diseases.. keep promoting your drugs though.. are you going to force everyone to have an rfid chip injected in to their bodies also?

  105. Please tell me what your background is. You’re quick to put down doctors and researchers, so I sense that you have some personal issue with them. Otherwise I don’t understand how you could be against vaccines that have saved millions of lives in our very recent history. Did you flunk out of med school or something, so now you’re mad at the world? Or do you just like to buy into conspiracy theories since they can’t be disproven directly?

  106. First, there is no conspiracy. Period. It would be logistically impossible to perpetrate that scale of conspiracy. Absolutely absurd to even bring up.

  107. The odds are significantly less if a person has been vaccinated that they will ever be in a position to transmit it. Why is that so hard to understand. I really must be missing the point of protecting the majority of the population understanding that the less people who can get a disease, the less people will be able to transmit the disease to others. Which part are you not getting?

  108. These anti-vaccine have a deep unconscious issue with authority. Of this they are completely unaware. It is called a narcissistic unresolved oedipal complex. That is the real reason they will not listen to the authority of the medical-scientific community.

  109. I used to be an anti-vaccine fanatic. Through a strange set of circumstances, I was humbled and seen the error of my thinking. However, there is nothing you can do to convince the anti-vaccine people that they are mistaken. All you can do is vaccinate yourself so that you are less likely to contact the disease and are therefore less likely to spread it. But they don’t even believe that. It is called anti-establishment. It comes from an unconscious unresolved oedipal complex. We all have it. However, I came to see that some authority is good for us. If one thoroughly checks out all the material written against vaccinations, one will find that it is based on non factual data. But of course the anti-vaccination people don’t believe that either. So I live and let live. It is what it is.

  110. It is obvious you are an ignoramus. the last vestige of the ignorant is to insult. I can see by your posts you can only defend your preposterous position by insulting those that disagree.If you don’t want to get your kids vaccinated that is your choice, but don’t complain if your child is one of those that unfortunately is a worst case scenario. You can ignore the facts if you want but I won’t stoop to personal insults.

  111. Check the facts on the number of children that died, and the number that became severely ill before you say it was a waste. Mumps is not a serious disease for most who get it, but many have severe or fatal reaction. Your ignorance costs lives.

  112. You’re saying that 100% of unvaccinated people will get the illness in question.. If that were true the human race would have been extinct long ago.

  113. He got a booster in January and the team manager was quoted saying that the rest of the team got boosters a few weeks ago. Now, after having gotten live virus vaccines a few weeks ago, they’re having an outbreak of one of those illnesses. Shocking.

  114. I would like to comment… your the stupid one Tannim. I just want to mention that in fact you do not get vaccinations to prevent the disease, and if this is what you believe you are grossly misinformed. You get vaccinations not for yourself, but to protect the individuals in our society who do not possess the immunity to fight these infections. if your answer to that is that they do not matter, maybe you should start reflecting on your own life, cause their life is every bit as valuable as yours, if you don’t believe that, you are just a narcissistic ass. before you come on here and try sound all intelligent and educated, maybe get some education and use it to become intelligent, and understand that vaccines are to protect those who cannot fight the infection, not the ones who can. protecting the ones who can will minimize the spread, therefore offering something called Herd Protection.

  115. Excerpt from an article from earlier this year, about how Merck’s mumps vaccine is a fraud:

    According to the whistleblowers’ court documents, Merck’s misconduct was far-ranging: It “failed to disclose that its mumps vaccine was not as effective as Merck represented, (ii) used improper testing techniques, (iii) manipulated testing methodology, (iv) abandoned undesirable test results, (v) falsified test data, (vi) failed to adequately investigate and report the diminished efficacy of its mumps vaccine, (vii) falsely verified that each manufacturing lot of mumps vaccine would be as effective as identified in the labeling, (viii) falsely certified the accuracy of applications filed with the FDA, (ix) falsely certified compliance with the terms of the CDC purchase contract, (x) engaged in the fraud and concealment describe herein for the purpose of illegally monopolizing the U.S. market for mumps vaccine, (xi) mislabeled, misbranded, and falsely certified its mumps vaccine, and (xii) engaged in the other acts described herein to conceal the diminished efficacy of the vaccine the government was purchasing.”

    These fraudulent activities, say the whistleblowers, were designed to produce test results that would meet the FDA’s requirement that the mumps vaccine was 95 per cent effective. To the whistleblowers’ delight, the judge dismissed Merck’s objections to the case proceeding, finding the whistleblowers had plausible grounds on all of the claims lodged against Merck.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/lawrence-solomon/merck-whistleblowers_b_5881914.html

  116. logistically impossible?? you must be smoking some crazy crack.. people take what doctors give them.. doctors give their patients what they are told is good for them, when realistically any drug has added harmul chemicals to increase dependency.. the real conspiracy is why things like smoking aren’t banned when they are 100% known to cause premature death.. i guess its because tobacco companies and investors have no power or influence over anything right? how the fuck are doctors supposed to know exactly whats in a vaccine that was produced by someone else? its not like they are scientists that can test for every unnecessary ingredient.. what are these lives that vaccines have saved?

  117. yeah don’t go crying to the drug company when your child dies from a vaccine or gets autism after it fucks his brain and body chemistry up. lol for the off chance that he might not die from a disease that the chances of him contracting are low anyway..

  118. your ignorance is astounding. My 3 kids received all vaccines and have never contracted the mumps or measles . I had the Mumps and measles as a child, as did my 5 siblings. Thankfully, the vaccine prevented my children from the risks. You may want your kids to risk a serious case of mumps or measels, etc. I don’t. that is your choice.

  119. i never had the mumps.. never got vaccinated for the mumps.. nor has anyone in my family ever had the mumps or was vaccinated for the mumps.. actually, come to think of it i’ve never seen anyone with the mumps.. the reason your kids haven’t gotten it is because they haven’t been around anyone with the disease.. obviously you are an idiot and didn’t read the part of the article where he was vaccinated for mumps..

  120. I read the article and the understand that you can still get the disease even when vaccinated. I guess when you have no rational argument you resort to childish insults. Good luck,hopefully your family will never get these diseases and suffer a worse case scenario. I have not known anyone with the mumps,and where I live the vaccine in common.

  121. I love reading these arguments about vaccines it’s very amusing. Case and point, if everyone was vaccinated the odd’s of any 1 person catching any of these illnesses is less than 5%. So before you start spouting off your anti vaccination propaganda please get your facts right and know what you are talking about. Because it’s the non vaccinated who catch it first and spread it to the vaccinated majority. Essentially in the end, it will be the bull headed fools who bring a collapse to humanity. Personally for the safety of the majority of the population I fully believe vacinations should be mandatory and people who refuse can be deported to some secluded island.

  122. I have significant hearing loss from getting chicken pox as an adult – the vaccine was unavailable when I was a child. I would have stood in line for hours to get that vaccine, if it would have lessened not just the symptoms, but the damage it caused.
    So before you lump everyone who believes in getting vaccinated into the “sucking a big dick” category, perhaps you should educate yourself. I suspect the reason you had a reaction was due to the egg products that were in the vaccine, not the vaccine itself.
    There are rare occasions where people do react severely to the vaccine. Does that mean that no one should ever get vaccinated for polio, whooping cough, measles, or mumps? Can you imagine the illnesses we would have to deal with, and the cost to our health system if we didn’t vaccinate?
    Be very careful before using a blanket assumption.

  123. I hope you never take Aspirin, Advil, Tylenol, or any cough syrup, or even vitamins… because “how the fuck are doctors supposed to know exactly whats (sic) in a vaccine (insert “any medication”) that was produced by someone else.”
    That isn’t even a rational argument. You could use that same argument to not buy groceries at the grocery store, clothing, or any other product.

  124. Actually, no you can’t. If that was true, no one would get polio, whooping cough, HIV, allergies, colds, flu, or any other infection. It is impossible to protect yourself completely.

  125. The “getting autism from vaccinations” was a fraudulent study – do your homework. It was a single study, which couldn’t be repeated, and to which the original researched admitted he doctored the results…. now who is believing nonsense?

  126. Hokay. Let’s use your own numbers to show why you’re wrong. Not that your numbers are correct (they’re not) but to show you that, even using your own logic, vaccinations are good.

    IF the vaccine is 75% effective, that means for every eight people that WOULD get the mumps, only two people are. That means that only one of four is spreading the disease, instead of four out of four. Which means that it spreads at only 25% effectiveness.

    Follow me?

    Now, that’s assuming everyone has the vaccination.

    IF only half the people are vaccinated, that means, using that number, that for every eight people that would get sick without vaccinations, assuming half vaccination rates, five out of eight are getting sick. So, using your own numbers, half vaccination rates would mean the disease is spreading at more than around sixty percent effectiveness.

    No one has said that vaccines are the be-all and end-all. But I find it staggering that people have stopped vaccinating kids. It blows my mind that, in North America today, kids are dying of illnesses that were basically irradicated in my mother’s time.

    Vaccinations are important.

  127. And how do you accomplish the same thing? Do you go up to sick people and get ill all the time?

    Eating healthy does not build up antibodies in your bloodstream. And I find the idea that I should expose myself to every illness (and the risks that this brings on) to “build up a healthy immune system”.

    If I have to constantly be sick so that I can be “healthy”, well, that sounds pretty stupid, doesn’t it?

    Read your history. Look at the numbers of people that used to die from common illnesses, and compare to most of the latter half of the twentieth century. Doing some very basic math, you can see that vaccines played a huge role in that.

    I can assume you can do basic math, right? You have enough fingers and toes, right? Or did you lose them to some sort of childhood illness in your quest to strengthen your immune system?

  128. You want a conspiracy? how’s this – the pharmaceutical companies are funding all this “anti-vaccine” stuff, because they know how useful vaccines are in controlling disease, and they could make a lot more money selling drugs treating the disease as opposed to a one or two-time shot that prevents the disease from occurring.

  129. lol nonsense is actually believing a drug company who claims it was a fraudulent study after they stopped using thiomersal in their vaccines.. which contains high levels of mercury.. dangerous to humans.. it wasn’t only one guy.. this is hilarious.. keep telling me more..

  130. ok. i said they are designed to create dependency.. not death.. if everyone just kept dying, obviously its not a good plan.. and just keep comparing food that grows from the ground or on an animal to something that is artificially created in a laboratory and funded by one of the worlds biggest capitalists.. so i don’t have to waste my time with you. by the way, yes i do take advil or aspirin sometimes, and people can go through a bottle of advil in a day without realizing it.. not to mention the people who crush up higher concentrations of advil to snort it.. i wonder why lol

  131. yea,smart one! How did he get Mumps if he’s vaccinated? One more proof that vaccine doesn’t do anything but PROFIT to pharmaceutical industry!

  132. lol you actually think vaccines cure infant mortality? are you fucking nuts? vaccines aren’t jesus christ our lord and savior.. go tell that to the bunch of africans crawling though the desert looking for food while getting pecked by a vulture.. or getting shot in the face or bombed.. silly idiot person.

  133. lol all this shows me that less people die from disease today then the early 1900’s.. it doesn’t even say anything about vaccines.. i guess none of this can be attributed to the fact that world wars brought foreign diseases that peoples immune systems weren’t programmed to handle.. and i guess the fact that overall sanitation is 100% better than it was in the early 1900s.. there are many things that prevent spreading disease.. greedy drug companies do not deserve the credit.

  134. i was exposed to chicken pocks as an infant.. never had a vaccination.. never got it again.. you are supposed to have it when you are younger.. if you didn’t, your parents didn’t do their job properly.. sorry, it is their fault you have significant hearing loss.

  135. where are all these people who don’t get vaccinated dying?? please give me some kind of numbers or statistics of death tolls attributed to not having vaccines in north america today.. please.

  136. authority? naw actually it comes from credible scientists that get no exposure.. kind like when real scientists tell us that global warming is an issue, yet no one actually does anything about it.. you know why? because people in congress have lots of oil and drug stock and can easily influence the market.. lol.. authority.. ok there mr i love being ruled with an iron fist..

  137. Actually, it isn’t their fault – I did have it as a child, and again as an adult (and yes, that is possible – it happens occasionally, where someone doesn’t build up an immunity to it naturally). I am not sure how you can blame my parents for that.

  138. Your argument is still hypocritical.
    You had a reaction to a vaccine, so all vaccines are “bad.”
    Yet you are willing to take medications made by those same capitalist companies, medications that are synthetics, and also cause reactions in some people. Check out Phizer – they make those vaccines you are so afraid of, and also make Advil…
    You can’t have it both ways.

  139. how do you sound like such a fucking asshole when you write things? it must come from being conceived by assholes in a place full of assholes.. lol to say you are 10X more likely to get the mumps then someone who is vaccinated.. crosby could have gotten it from someone who was also vaccinated.. so to say someone exersizing their rights not to have their body pumped full of chemicals is the reason for crosby getting the mumps is a fucking joke.. sorry, you are a joke of a person to me.

  140. lol what about my argument is hypocritical? i said vaccines are bad,not because i had a reaction to it, but because contrary to what you think, they actually fuck up your immune system.. children have to be exposed to diseases like chicken pocks when they are younger regardless of vaccinations, because that is the way the immune system works.. vaccines create a chemically imbalanced immune system that is irreparable.. drugs like aspirin are temporary pain reliefs in small doses, but its not something you constantly take when nothings wrong..

  141. OK, I will.

    Check out the CDC website regarding the non-relationship between vaccines and autism:

    http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/autism/

    There was ONE study showing a link between autism and vaccines. It was written by a Mr. Andy Wakefield. This paper was proven fraudulent, and was subsequently withdrawn by the highly respected medical journal, Lancet. His report blamed the MMR vaccine (vaccination for measles, mumps and rubella) for causing autism spectrum disorder (ASD).

    AND, this study only used 12 PATIENTS as the basis – hardly an adequate base to formulate a definitive decision.

    There were a couple dozen other studies that used this one as their basis, that also tried to convince people that vaccines caused autism – they were later shown to be flawed as well. As
    well, none of those studies showed a definitive cause and effect, but merely that there was “a possibility.”

    Later, British journalist Brian Deer, an experienced investigative reporter, tracked down and interviewed the original participants in
    Wakefield’s study. He also compared medical records with what was published in the 1998 study. It turns out that Wakefield wasn’t just misinterpreting data — he was making much of it up.

    Since that time, there are more than 100 peer-reviewed papers completely dismissing and debunking any link between any vaccine and any type of autism.

    Want some clinical links?

    Taylor LE, Swerdfeger AL, Eslick GD. Vaccines are not associated with autism: An evidence-based meta-analysis of case-control and cohort studies. Vaccine. 2014 May 6. pii: S0264-410X(14)00636-7. doi: 0.1016/j.vaccine.2014.04.085. [Epub ahead of print] PubMed PMID: 24814559.

    http://www.jpeds.com/article/S0022-3476(13)00144-3/pdf

    http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/00_pdf/CDCStudiesonVaccinesandAutism.pdf

    (this one has a list of studies that show vaccines do not cause autism)

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24814559

    http://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/good-investigative-reporting-may-finally-debunk-the-myth-that-vaccines-cause-autism-201101061067

    I could add pages of these. (and the links contain the peer-reviewed studies with references – feel free to follow those)

    And, the theory that thimiserol, which has mercury, is the culprit, why don’t adults who have mercury fillings get autism?

    Please, provide the evidence to support your claims.

  142. hmmm.. pretty vital piece of information you left out there.. especially considering you said you didn’t get a chicken pocks vaccine when you are younger.. implying that you never had the disease in the first place.. most people don’t get chicken pocks vaccine after they’ve had it.. and usually have no problems later in life.. except for very rare cases.. something doesn’t add up with your story.. sorry.

  143. ” i said vaccines are bad,not because i had a reaction to it, but because contrary to what you think, they actually fuck up your immune system”
    Can you provide some evidence to support this?
    Apparently, you don’t understand how vaccines work…Your body can make antibodies in two ways: by getting the disease or by getting the vaccine. Getting the vaccine is a much safer way to make antibodies without having the suffering of the disease itself and the risk of becoming disabled or even dying.
    Your opinion of “fucking up the immune system” is just an opinion – not based on any evidence or fact.

  144. What was the vital piece I left out?
    I got chicken pox – not once, but twice – which is possible, and has happened to lots of people.
    There was no implication there – you made assumptions – your fault, not mine.
    You are the one who chose to blame my parents, when in fact, there was no evidence to support that. You are the one who chose to make assumptions.
    And, my argument was that had the vaccine been available WHEN I WAS A CHILD I would have gotten it… which would have given me a better chance of NOT getting it, or getting it twice. A guarantee? Not, but a chance I would have been willing to take, given the alternative.
    So, the “doesn’t add up” is your assumptions trying to place blame on someone else, rather than looking at your own inaccurate misinterpretations, that is all.

  145. OK, so provide the peer-reviewed studies and links to support your claim “do a little research on actual vaccines and the dangers of vaccines.. people don’t die because they don’t get vaccinated.. ”
    Actually, people DO die because they don’t get vaccinated… do the research on polio and whooping cough….

  146. “some vaccines actually increased the number of cases for some specific diseases”
    Please provide links to the peer-reviewed studies and abstracts for this comment. I would like to read them.

  147. I have looked through your comments, and you have been asked by others, and me, to provide the peer-reviewed studies and abstracts to support your position.
    Please provide the links to the studies that support your comments “disease reduction predated the toxic shot” and “they don’t resist disease because they wear off and mutations happen” and “the shots are not compatible with the body’s natural immune system.”
    I would like to read those studies.

  148. This is a chart simply stating cases/deaths from the disease. It doesn’t show the data if they were vaccinated or not vaccinated. Therefore these statistics do not reflect the true relation to the question. Nor will it ever be available as this is something that would never be funded, through government and pharmaceutical companies. For example: My niece got pertussis, she was immunized. Could have died and added to this chart.

  149. Look into the Japanese way of vaccination. Delayed vaccination works better. We suffocate our babies here injected them at 2/4/6/12/18 months. Not giving them enough time to work the natural immune system. Their research is very interested. They no longer vaccinate for mumps. (Well last time I checked anyhow) So the risk of travellers to and from increase 100 fold. I just find the headline ignorant.

  150. You’ve totally missed my point and are making the same old tired and weak arguments that make vaccines advocates look foolish.

    First of all I’m not saying that vaccinations aren’t important, rather I’m saying that medical science isn’t a realm where blind faith should be applauded. If you are looking for something to believe without being able to ask questions or make a personal choice, there are a number of radical religions for you to choose from.

    The good news is no one is dying of Mumps. Actually mumps was never a big killer. You are making the mistake of applying a broad conversation on vaccines to a specific conversation about one vaccine. That’s a move that discredits the rest of the your statement.

    Now lets look at your assumptions. “Assuming half vaccination rates,” vaccination rates are over 95%, my point is that doesn’t matter for the mumps because most doctors only consider the mumps vaccine to be 80% effective (this article says 88% but I’ve seen as low as 75% reported). And none of that really matter because there is no public health campaign to get the booster shots to the population. As a result almost no one is protected against mumps.

    But you seems to be all about the numbers so lets restrict the conversation to children who are almost all (95-98%) receiving the MMRS vaccine cocktail. Using only 8 children in your argument, simplifies the math to the point where its not at all useful for discussion. So lets make it 20. You have 20 kids, 19 are vaccinated 1 has crazy anti-vaxxer parents. Now an outbreak comes along, over the 20 kids 14 don’t get sick because the vaccine worked, 5 get sick even though they are vaccinated, and 1 gets sick because his parents don’t believe in vaccines. Is it now logical to say that the 1 kid is the cause of the 5 vaccinated kids getting sick? No its not, in fact there is only a 17% chance that it was the non-vaccinated child who brought the virus into the group.

    Basically any time someone says, “shut up because science has proved x” I get nervous. That is not the way science works. Almost everything that we once believed, including the ideas of science, have been overturned by further study. Its time to stop fear-mongering people, and let vaccination procedures and regiments mature in a way that puts people’s health above concerns for time and money.

  151. You can very clearly see an upswing near the end there – as vaccination rates are decreasing. It’s not going to ever go into the “was this person vaccinated?” question, because, ultimately, it’s not all that relevant. To repeat the mantra – you can get sick when you’re vaccinated! All they do is slow the disease’s spread.

  152. and the mother of the vaccine injured child? What are you telling them? Vaccination rates in Canada are very well documented at 98.2%. Hardly a crisis.

  153. Caroline, Although I see your point, it doesn’t address john kimble’s request “where are all these people who don’t get vaccinated dying.”

    He appears to be of the belief that vaccinations do not protect the
    general public and do more harm than good. (read some of his other comments to see more of his opinions on that).

    I completely disagree with the opinion that vaccinations do more harm than good, that they “fuck with the immune system” (his words, not mine) and “you retards can say what you want, but you know nothing about what these chemicals do to your body and brain.. just go back to sucking a big dick like you all like to do.” (again, his words, not mine).

    And, with regard to the link I posted earlier – I did a little more
    research. The polio vaccine was introduced in the US in 1955, and in 1963 became widespread. Now, let’s look at the population, polio rates, and death rates:

    1950:
    Population 152 million
    Incidents of Polio: 33300 (0.0219% of population)
    Deaths from Polio: 1904 (0.0013% of total population)

    1963:
    Population 189 million
    Incidents of Polio: 396 (0.0002% of population)
    Deaths from Polio: 41 (0.00002% of population)

    With the introduction of the vaccine, incidents in the general
    population were 104X greater than after, and deaths were 58X greater.

    When I have more time, I will look into this a little more.

    Here is a peer-reviewed study showing that mortality rates are lower with vaccinations:
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23790993

    And here is a good article, showing why we should still vaccinate, even though disease levels are low:
    http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/whatifstop.htm

    Some quotes from the above article:
    – Nearly everyone in the U.S. got measles before there was a vaccine, and hundreds died from it each year. Today, most doctors
    have never seen a case of measles.
    – More than 15,000 Americans died from diphtheria in 1921, before there was a vaccine. Only one case of diphtheria has been
    reported to CDC since 2004.
    – An epidemic of rubella (German measles) in 1964-65 infected 12½ million Americans, killed 2,000 babies, and caused 11,000
    miscarriages. In 2012, 9 cases of rubella were reported to CDC.

    More recently, a 2013 outbreak in Alberta was caused by un-vaccinated children being exposed in other countries, and bringing that virus back to Alberta:
    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/low-immunization-rate-leads-to-measles-outbreak/article15199752/

    and the cost of that outbreak
    http://www.calgaryherald.com/health/Measles+outbreak+declared+Calgary+Edmonton+central+Alberta/9788118/story.html
    (cost to taxpayers $1.4 million)

    So, back to john kimble’s comments… if vaccinations really do cause more harm than good, both from an illness and death standpoint, and a financial standpoint, please – provide me some links on that, so I can read them, because what I am finding doesn’t support that.

  154. Until your kid gets polio… or is blind from measles… or goes deaf…. then you will see what the fuss is about….

  155. So, given your argument…. if we didn’t vaccinate for chicken pox, and introduced our children to chicken pox at a young age, there would be no complications, and lifetime immunity…
    WRONG – I am living breathing proof that your argument is invalid.
    There was no chicken pox vaccine when I was young.
    I was exposed to chicken pox as a child, and got it.
    Was exposed again as an adult, and got it again, and have SIGNIFICANT hearing loss because of it.
    So, given your theory, I should have been exposed, gotten the illness, recovered with no issues, and then lived happily ever after.
    Hmmmm…. nope… not seeing your theory at all.
    Oh wait – you will argue that my environment or my parents, or some genetic mutation that we know nothing about is to blame, or maybe some alien invasion, or a conspiracy theory….

  156. First, mumps isn’t a big killer. That is true. But it can have lasting rider effects that SUCK. I went to school with a guy whose face was mangled from a case of the mumps. Lots of scars, and the upper part of his lip was semi-fused to his nose. I’m 31. I’m not that old. So yeah, mumps can suck, and why suffer that if you can avoid it, or reduce the chances?

    I was using basic math for the simple reason that, well, it’s simple. It’s easy to follow. And using your numbers, again, if only one in twenty don’t get vaccinated,they’re still more than tripling the chance of bringing it into the group. And if two out of twenty don’t….

    Vaccines don’t exist in a vacuum. They exist simply to limit the flow of a disease, to prevent its spread. At no point was I saying that vaccinations are going to end the disease from spreading. All I am saying is that, hey, they’re going to help.

    Just before I was born (or maybe just after – I’m a bit spotty on the history, as I’m no immunologist), Smallpox was irradicated. A huge killer of humans was completely destroyed. Vaccines played a huge part in this, but admittedly not the only part. And yet, sadly, they’re not as trusted as they used to be, as anti-government paranoia spreads in the West (for a couple of quite valid reasons, but that’s an entirely different debate). This means that diseases that used to be quite under control are now spiking again in popularity – Mumps being one (454 in 2008, 1991 in 2009, and 2612 in 2010!), Pertussis being another.

    Which is a very alarming statistic.

    Ultimately, you are right about science. You have to look at the numbers. And from where I stand, there’s few good scientific reasons to avoid the vaccine based on the numbers. Most every anti-vaccine argument I’ve seen is based off fear or ignorance. And, not to be rude, but so is yours. Saying it’s only “75% effective” is kind of funny. Because my thoughts are “75% effective!? Holy crap, that’s a lot of people we could protect!”

  157. Read bella’s comment again…. she never said “cure” – you misinterpreted her comment. Perhaps you should read the comment again before you accuse someone else of being the silly idiot person.
    Infant mortality is primarily linked to low birth weights, and a multitude of factors affect that, one being parent health. When that parent is not vaccinated and gets an illness like measles during pregnancy greatly increases risk of spontaneous abortion or stillbirth, or pneumonia or other issues in the mother.
    You are very fast to call others names, but you have yet to provide any evidence to support your opinion.
    So, until you provide links to peer-reviewed studies and abstracts, you are just being a troll.

  158. Jenny McCarthy is a twitscicle who jumped on the Autism bandwagon. She should have done more research before she started her campaign.

  159. I’ve been reading this thread and have some comments. First, the original papers that said vaccines caused autism were not only wrong, they were totally bogus. Wakefield made up the data (he didn’t misinterpret anything, he just made up numbers). The papers were retracted and he lost his medical license. In the ensuing years, thousands of papers about research involving millions of children have shown no such effects from vaccinations. What the anti-vax people don’t understand is that science is not a democracy. One person’s opinion, opinion not backed by scientific research, does not equal the result of those thousands of studies. It doesn’t matter if you are a semi-celebrity or not, your opinion is just that, an opinion. It’s not reality, it’s not science, it’s not equal to valid scientific research. And you actually can eradicate a disease by vaccinating a sufficient number of people, even if the vaccine is not 100% effective. Look at smallpox. Decrease the infection rate enough by vaccinating enough people and the disease finds no way to propagate itself. The problem with many anti-vax proponents is that there is no evidence that will convince them. They are not open to discussion, they are only open to people who agree with them. Facts are never important to them.

  160. Actually, that is not true. If 100% were vaccinated and the efficacy were high enough (and it is), the disease would eventually die out. Someone who actually got it would have fewer people to pass it to.

  161. I’m not sure that’s realistic in the real world, doesn’t seem to be the case given the historical record. After all the diseases came from somewhere, outbreaks are always a risk. That’s why you can’t just rely on vaccines. As long as people are working closely with animals there will always been some risk or known or new diseases coming out. Proper sanitation, and personal hygiene are just as important. Each disease needs to be managed with the specific virus in mind.

  162. So if you can get mumps after being vaccinated why bother? Obviously the vaccine doesn’t work. The medical literature confirms it. Blaming unvaccinated people for it is lame logic.

  163. The odds of that happening are a million to one in countries with public sanitation and water purification. Adverse vaccine reactions have higher odds than most people realize with only 1/10 being officially reported. More people are worried about having a vaccine injured child and having to look after them for life, then worrying about who is going to care for them when they die. That’s a bigger fuss for them, no risk to you. They’re entitled to make that decision for themselves, not you. Vaccination is not mandatory in Canada, nor should it be.

  164. There you go again. Not every disease is like small pox. Small pox is where the whole idea of vaccines came about. Inoculations against smallpox goes back at least 1000 years. In the 10th century chinese medicine people would shave the scabs off small pox victims, grind, dry and mix with herbs, then blow it in the face of children who would then become sick, but recover and enjoy life long immunity. Other populations developed wide spread resistance after centuries of exposure. The big death toll didn’t come until the virus came to america where the population had very little experience with viruses. Estimates are 90+% were wiped out. Later Europeans who came to amarica were dying almost as fast as they got off the boat, while Africans were largely untouched.

    By the 19th century the worst of it was over due to quarantines and better hygiene. The first modern inoculation for smallpox didn’t actually contain any small pox in it, but rather used a much less deadly virus called cowpox.

    I’m trying to be brief but you can see that small pox has a long history with lots of trial and error in it. The Mumps vaccines on the other hand is relatively new. This article is about the mumps and the apparently failure of the boosters to protect these athletes.

    Instead trying to propagate this narrative that people who are refuse vaccines are “putting us all in danger,” the writer should be investigating the supply chain of the boosters. How many other people think they are protected but aren’t? Where they improperly stored? Is the testing regiment sufficient? Does the manufacture life up to health and safety codes? How many people are at greater risked because they think they are protected and therefore engage is unsanitary activity like sharing water bottles?

  165. I am one of those children who suffers from hearing loss from chicken pox… the vaccination wasn’t available when I was a child. I would have taken my chances with the vaccination, had it been available.
    And the risk IS to me, when people don’t vaccinate. The higher the incidents of those illnesses, the greater the impact on our health care system – look at Alberta in 2013 and 2014 when there was a measles outbreak and the millions spent on quarantining hospitals and treating those who were sick… That impacts me, both as a health care provider who had to deal with those patients, and as a taxpayer who has to pay for those increased costs through my taxes. Look at the money that was spent in schools, on closing some classes for days, because of the outbreak. You cannot say that someone else not getting vaccinated doesn’t impact me – it does.
    Where did you get your statistic on only 1/10 being reported?
    And, if that is merely an allergic reaction, even if it is an anaphylactic reaction, although it is life-threatening at the moment, that is something that does not have a long-term, disabling effect. I took a quick look at the Public Health Agency of Canada website, that collects the reports on adverse incidents…. 90% of the adverse incidents reported fell into the “non-serious” category (these included crying for several hours, pain or rash at the injection site, fever, or allergy type symptoms) which are in no way life threatening.
    Where is this “my child is going to become permanently disabled from vaccinations and I will never be able to retire because I will have to care for them” coming from? Where is the evidence to support that?
    Show me the stats showing how many vaccinated children suffered long term physiological affects that were truly disabling in some way. I would like to read them. If you are going to stand by your opinion, show me the peer-reviewed studies that show that, so I can review them.

  166. Everyone I knew as a child got chickenpox. Nobody suffered any permanent damage. You’re going to have to do your own homework. Until the advent of a vaccine it was considered to be a mild childhood illness. It still is, whether or not your personal anecdote is true.

  167. Nice try.
    Measles and mumps are also considered mild, but there are some who get the illness who suffer serious long term affects. You would rather call me a liar (even though you don’t know me, and I could provide documentation from my doctor and an audiologist to the contrary) than to admit that the illnesses have far greater risks than the vaccine.
    You have chosen to ignore the recent measles episode in Alberta that I referred to (and if YOU would do your homework, you would see the damage that outbreak caused).
    And, you have chosen to ignore all my questions to you:
    1. Where did you get your statistic on only 1/10 being reported?
    2. Where is this “my child is going to become permanently disabled from vaccinations and I will never be able to retire because I will have to care for them” coming from? Where is the evidence to support that?
    And, you have blatantly chosen to ignore my request:
    Show me the stats showing how many vaccinated children suffered long term physiological affects that were truly disabling in some way. I would like to read them. If you are going to stand by your opinion, show me the peer-reviewed studies that show that, so I can review them.
    Telling me to “You’re going to have to do your own homework. Until the advent of a vaccine it was considered to be a mild childhood illness” is a quitter’s way out.
    That is a childish way of saying “I don’t have any evidence to support my opinion, so I am going to attempt to deflect your requests for information.”
    As I noted, I had the illness BEFORE the vaccine was made. I realize I am the exception to the “mild illness.” I also am one of a rare number of people who had chicken pox twice. I realize I am the one in a million that you referred to in your comments. I could probably, with a little work, come up with more people with the same long term affects.
    I can provide study after study, peer-reviewed and reproducible, to show that vaccinations are far safer than not vaccinating. You have provided nothing.
    Stand up for your beliefs. Prove your point with FACTS. Show me the studies. Provide the links. Answer my questions above.
    Until you do, you are just a troll in this conversation, who cannot back up what you say with any facts. Every comment you have made is merely opinion, not fact.

  168. I don’t expect anyone to accept what I’ve stated as gospel. It’s up to everyone to research the info. for themselves and come to their own conclusions.

  169. I have no interest in convincing you. There is plenty of info. on the web that disputes the pop-culture notions you rely on for your rants.

  170. Then why bother posting? You waste my time and yours.
    If you weren’t interested in calling out others for their beliefs, and presenting your own, you wouldn’t be commenting at all….
    And if there were actual FACTS (which is far different from just internet ‘info”) you would be forthcoming about it.
    “Pop-culture notions”? HAHAHAHAHAHA
    I knew I had read that mindless dreck phrase somewhere else….
    Now I understand where you are coming from…. you have no proof, no evidence, and are unwilling to look for facts, yet you call yourself a journalist.
    I think this link speaks for itself:
    http://anarchic-teapot.net/2014/07/willberg-skeptic-agenda/

  171. It is impossible to have an intelligent conversation or debate, when one party (you) refuses to actually provide any relevant or factual information.
    Until you do that, your posts are nothing more than spam.

  172. In response to the comment below, it is the vaccine maker itself who declares the ineffectiveness and unhealthy effect of their mumps vaccine product. If the vaccine maker declares this in black and white, within the legally binding vaccine insert, then ignoring that comes with no need for rebuttal. As for being stupid……smart, healthy and wealthy people like me are obviously on to something and I would gladly display all 3 of these attributes publicly to prove the obvious. Healthy and wealthy people (who don’t vaccinate) can’t be stupid by definition. I would also wager a bet that any public comparison of my wealth and health would dwarf anyone stupid enough to ignore what a vaccine maker says about their own vaccine. Anytime you want to compare intelligence, health or wealth maybe you can start by posting your pic so we can assess just how much health knowledge you actually hold. http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/m/mmr_ii/mmr_ii_pi.pdf

  173. You think that ad hominem fantasy attacks against me are going to deflect from the real issues? Hahahaha. People will do their own homework despite your silly attempts to discredit someone who disagrees with you.

  174. You can disagree – I am ok with that…. but to disagree
    when you have NO evidence to support your opinion provide the same, even when asked…. that is silly at is greatest.

    I did my homework… and what I found supports my opinion, not yours. When I tried to find evidence to support your opinion, I found none.

    And as for “ad hominem fantasy attacks” – pot calling kettle black there….

    I didn’t have to discredit you – you provided the information on that all on your own.

    The real issue, is that people who provide the fantasy information that you provide, does more harm to people than good. Yet, when pressed for evidence to support your opinion, you can provide none. You resort to “look for yourself” rather than providing anything.

    You are dangerous. You are as dangerous as Jenny McCarthy because you present yourself as educated and truthful, when in fact, you are not. You have no evidence to support your claims, and when someone provides actual facts, you discount those facts as “pop culture.” You should be ashamed of the damage you have done.

  175. Just because you didn’t know anyone who wasn’t injured by the chicken pox doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. Maybe it just wasn’t discussed. A lot of times the infections go into the genitals, sometimes requiring reconstructive surgery. 15 yrs ago when the chicken pox vaccine was just becoming wide spread in bc, approx 1-2 children were dying from the chicken pox each year with no deaths from the vaccine. My daughter broke out with cp the 3 days before her appt to get vaccinated. It ended up being the worst case 3 different dr’s had ever seen. It resulted in multiple trips to the dr’s, clinic and hospital because of complications and secondary infections. One dr’s foresight to put her on a strong antibiotic early on probably prevented her from developing flesh eating disease ( they are related) she has permanent scars and is evening missing segments were her eyelashes should be because of the severity of the pox. It makes me angry when people are so flip and ‘childhood’ diseases and how we all ‘grew up fine’ but actually we didn’t. We just didn’t hear about. When someone’s child back then had severe problems they went off to live somewhere else and no one talked about! 40 yrs ago women drank and smoked during pregnancy too but we’d never encourage that again. And honestly unless they were drunks the people that I know who’s mothers drank and smoke are for fine.
    Mumps in adults makes, too can be very serious and cause several long term problems including sterility.

  176. Pop culture? That was what’s pushing the anti vac movement. Science is what brought you vaccinations.

  177. Millions of others can find it but you can’t… BTW who is paying you to post these outrageous rants of yours? Or perhaps you simply have narcissistic temper tantrums when someone doesn’t play your game your way? False moral panic and attempts to paint those who question vaccines as folk devils just doesn’t cut it. You are too irrational to discuss anything.

  178. According to the Alliance for Natural Health the vaccine just doesn’t work.
    “The effectiveness of the MMR vaccine in preventing mumps is—according to Dr. William Schaffer, a pro-vaccine researcher at Vanderbilt University—“not so good.” A CDC study of a 2009–2010 mumps outbreak in the northeastern US found that a full 77% of those sickened in 2009 outbreak had been vaccinated.
    The effectiveness of the mumps vaccine depends heavily on the strain contracted. According to a 2008 FDA study, the vaccine is “0 to 33%” effective on the Rubini strain. Even so, this study, like other government studies, blamed outbreaks on low vaccination rates instead of on low vaccine effectiveness.”

  179. lol.. i love when heavily medicated morons give me charts like this.. first. show me where all these people who died didn’t get vaccinated.. second you forgot to include all the other factors that prevent the spread of disease.. like oh i don’t know, sanitation techniques, and overall cleanliness of certain public places.. or how about doctor diagnosis where they tell you not to go hang out with people when you have the flu.. LOL.. keep them coming

  180. lol. i won’t argue with you.. its not like an outbreak can be avoided simply by not going to school or taking the bus or metro with measles.. your right to blame someone for negligence if they have contracted something and are hanging around large groups of people.. by your definition, i guess you should probably blame the first person ever in the world to get the measles.. its all their fault they weren’t vaccinated.. its not like drug companies ever release anything that has been proven harmful then covered up by the industry without being spoken of again.. do you know where a conspiracy comes from? WHEN PEOPLE DON’T TELL THE TRUTH… lol have you any idea how much money drug companies make off people? some unknown ingredients they include takes years to study side effects by themselves.. except of course the mercury they use in vaccines is already known to cause mental disabilities.. no matter what the dose..

  181. fantasy information?? you provide nothing.. why don’t you just go ahead and blame someone else for getting chicken pox twice because someone in the world already had when they were young and wasn’t vaccinated.. i guess its not hard to see what all those vaccines did to your immune system over the years, having caught chicken pox as an adult. you are a very tiny minority.. id say instead of those vaccines where you’re simply trusting a large stock exchanged company, you should just eat more foods that strengthen the immune system

  182. How is it non vaccinated people spreading the disease? Clearly Sidney Crosby and several other hockey players have caught the mumps from someone who was vaccinated. Assuming all of the athletes who contracted the disease were vaccinated. Unvaccinated people are not the ones walking around with the virus in our body. Unlike vaccinated people.

  183. this doesn’t mean much.. 99% of kids that get it aren’t vaccinated, and heal up just fine regardless of the severity of the symptoms.. and usually never contract the disease again. i would be very worried if i never had it and was only vaccinated for it.. chicken pox is extremely contagious, and if you didn;t get the full experience when you were young, your chances of having horrible symptoms as an adult increases. regardless of vaccination.

  184. shouldn’t you be prostesting against global warming science or that cigarettes don’t cause cancer since they are widely available to the public? or that alcohol doesn’t cause liver damage because the government allows people to sell it? addiction sells.. there are alot of statistics and scientific research against vaccines if you look in the right places.. and not on the CDC or FDA website.. weather you want to believe it or not addiction & dependency sells.. especially when it only kills you slowly..

  185. yeah science brought us combustion, coal power, and nuclear energy.. doesn’t mean they are safe does it? would you like me to provide a longer list of things science brought that aren’t safe? lol and don’t spin this around like im anti science, because im atheist who is 100% for science, but vaccines does unnatural things to the body’s immune system. its not my fault if you don’t want to believe these things, but it’s true.

  186. huh? you told me that you would have gotten the vaccine as a child even though you already had the chicken pox.. having the chicken pox vs the vaccine is alot more effective later in life… having both is not more effective and is kind of idiotic, and they do not recommend this.. so obviously something doesn’t add up.. its your story that leads me to believe your parents never understood the implications of not having chicken pox as a child..

  187. lol educate an anti vax nutbag? people wouldn’t be anti vax if vaccines didn’t fuck so many people up.. you can keep looking at cdc and fda statistics if you want. in the meantime, you should go fight global warming for the oil companies, and try to convince people that ocean levels don’t rise when caps melt into the ocean.

  188. but vaccines don’t provide the same amount of immunity.. a vaccine is only a small dose of a similar virus strain.. not even the actual virus strain, so your body may recognize it but it does not give you the same effects as actually experiencing the full effects of the virus..

  189. no one said there was no chance.. but having chicken pox is more effective then taking the vaccine for the last god damn time.. and the only way to get chicken pox is by being very close to someone who has chicken pox.. its not like chicken pox has no visible symptoms, so i wouldn’t use the fact that you put yourself at risk of getting chicken pox as way to promote vaccines. even if you had the vaccine, you would have gotten it anyway.. it doesn’t make you look too good.

  190. but spontaneous abortion doesn’t count as an infant. yes infant mortality rates drastically decreased as birth conditions got much better.. and “spontaneous abortion” doesn’t even count as infant mortality.. an infant is already born. i love how you idiots take insignificant examples of mothers and children dying in childbirth 80 years ago, and associate it with not being vaccinated.. hilarious but really stupid.. i guess being under a doctors supervision in a clean environment has absolutely nothing to do with it.. you’re all clowns. you sound like an fda troll.

  191. shux.. i hate when things aren’t widely discussed. like the very negative cons of getting vaccinated. i guess censorship has gotten the best of you. its kind of like going and filling your car up with gas knowing its ruining our biosphere.. im am guilty of that also, but alternative choices are out of my price range (go figure eh!!).. in the case of vaccines, i do have a choice until the nazis force people to get them.. i don’t willfully go spreading diseases as legitimate modern research has taught me not to go close to anyone if i am contagious.. or not to be around anyone who is, but its not fool proof, and if some vaccinated idiot with a virus decides that he’s invincible and goes and makes out with his girlfriend, its not my fault.

  192. lol so i am supposed to pump my body full of immune system destroying chemicals because some schmuck germiphobe somewhere has a terrible immune system from taking so many vaccines? sounds pretty logical..

  193. yes someone somewhere in history first caught a virus and obviously wasn’t vaccinated 400 years ago.. its a damn miracle that the global population is 300 million in the united states and exponentially growing with all the people who don’t get vaccinated.. you sound like hitler. i guess when they make rfid chip implants mandatory, you’ll want to ship those people away also?

  194. do you know why the populations are so big and why these diseases are almost 99% neutralized? because of medicine and vacinations. The people who are not vacinated are a threat to the rest of civalization period. If you don’t believe so you are a moron and deserve to be shipped off to a private island to spend the rest of your life, exact same as every non vaccinated person in the world. and if that makes me like hitler, refer to me as mein furher.

  195. Actually, once again, you are reading things wrong. Perhaps you should go back to grade school and re-learn cognitive reading.
    I never said I would have gotten the vaccine AFTER getting chicken pox. Nope, not once. Please go back and read it again.
    You try so hard to twist and misinterpret that it makes you look like the moron.

  196. And once again, that is the most stupid rationale regarding illness that is making the homeopathic anti-vaxx circuit. Let’s all expose our kids to polio (good thing we can’t here), or maybe HepB, or other vaccinatable illnesses, so they can get a better immune system…. WOW… stupid, stupid, stupid….

  197. i have never heard such a massive amount of bullshit.. sure medical advancements that made it possible to diagnose such viruses and catch them before they spread or cause massive damage.. i guess better and cleaner living conditions, clean water, and better foods couldn’t possibly be attributed to people living longer.. lol vaccines don’t add 30 years on to life you moron.. uneducated retards like you are a threat to civilization. i feel bad for you and the rest of your family.

  198. and once again, you are still providing no evidence. No studies, no reports, no abstracts… *yawn* your mindless, no evidence trolling has gotten boring.

  199. im still laughing at the fact that the one thing that causes big population which is “life expectancy” is because of vaccines, when life expectancy was already almost double what it was before any vaccinations ever went mainstream.. its like you’ve never taken a history or geography class in your life. or maybe you were just educated in the united states, in which case i understand.

  200. never mind, you play world of warcraft. pretty clear you already live in a fantasy land. your arguments are void.

  201. oh jesus, you’re killing me. Firstly not American so don’t make yourself look any stupider by making assumptions. Secondly, before vaccinations and modern medicine life expectantcy was around 30-40 years old. People were married around age 16 and had families shortly after. I’m not entirely sure what point your trying to make? Are you trying to prove that you are so moronic that you came to a battle of wits without a weapon? That you came to me claiming to have any sort of intelligent information or any sort of comprehensible rebuttal? I’m sorry but your facts are skewed and I highly suggest you actually go do some research, before you ever speak to me like you have the slightest idea what you’re talking about.

    Wir zum Bespannen runden alle nicht geimpften Menschen und steckt sie auf einer Insel.

  202. You can call me names all you want. The fact remains, that you haven’t provided anything to back up your side of this conversation. You still have ignored all my requests on where you got your data. You can say “do your homework” “millions can find it” but the fact remains – you have provided nothing to back up your opinion. You want to be part of this conversation, YOU need to provide your data.
    And talking about false moral panic…. you must be looking in the mirror, because that is exactly what you do. You prey on the uneducated, the fearful, and convince them without any data, to be afraid of vaccines.
    Irrational? Temper tantrum? *yawn* I am more than willing to discuss, if you would actually bring something to the table, and so far you have not. No studies, no data, no reports, no abstracts, nothing. All you have provided is opinion and conjecture.
    When are you going to actually provide the information requested? Oh wait – you will once again tell me to find it myself. Perhaps I need to be wearing a tinfoil hat to find it. (yes that was sarcasm, and an attack – because I am sick and tired of your victim mentality, and your unwillingness to have an educated conversation based on studies and research).

  203. Once again, jon, you are misinterpreting comments – if you would have looked higher, you would have seen that it is laurie who was providing fantasy information.
    OH yeah – how many times do I have to ask you to provide the studies, research report links, and data to support your side?

  204. I am still waiting for you to provide me links to the statistics and scientific research against vaccines.

  205. LOL YOU FUCKING IDIOT.. all you have to do is type life expectancy into google and you’ll see that it was about 70 years old in the 1960s.. its really not that fucking hard.. now go look when the first vaccine went mainstream.. it was only the 1960s where they began testing vaccines.. sorry but you can take your vaccine theory and shove it up your ass.. go back to playing world of warcraft retard..

  206. Again you’re making assumptions, this time based on my choice of entertainment? It’s easy to see where your education level sits. Enjoy being the most ignorant person to ever comment on this site. If you ever get educated I look forward to having an intelligent debate with you.

  207. i just find it funny how you spend hours on a computer playing fantasy, and you can’t find a simple life expectancy chart on google which was 70 years old before vaccines

  208. Please if you’re going to try to make me look stupid, at least do it correctly. I said Vaccines and MODERN MEDICINE you neanderthal. Please comment again when you’ve notched your iq up 100 points.

  209. so aside from conjuring up some ridiculously falso numbers about life expectancy being 30 years in the 1960s when almost no one got vaccinated, is there anything else you wanna tell me that will make me piss my pants laughing? how about chinas life expectancy being 20 years lower at that time, and blaming no vaccines for it? you are the reason home schooling is bad.

  210. im sorry, someone who claims life expectancy was 30 years in the 1960s telling me to comment when i have a higher IQ.. im not sure where you got the numbers 30-40, because they sound more like your IQ score.

  211. yeah as simple as injecting something as toxic as mercury into an infants body because there’s a chance they might get measles? of course.. fucking pathetic idiot.. lol the chances are the same with or without vaccines.. except vaccines harm people.

  212. Suppose you provide us with the independent challenge studies that compare vaccinated vs. unvaccinated populations to support your silly rants. In the meantime can the false moral panic about mild, childhood illnesses that are really little more than a nuisance. In fact less of a nuisance than you and your tantrums.

  213. lol i love it.. most of these people would believe that jesus and santa claus were fisting eachother in the cayman islands.. while stroking the easter bunny if thats what the government told them..

  214. yeah but that goes against people who are pro vaccines.. please take it off right now.. or they’ll just say its an irrelevant study done by a nutjob, because no one except for the government, fda, or cdc who make billions of peoples misfortune are allowed to post any kind of negative study. its already burned into their brains that the government cares so much about them by letting them buy alcohol and cigarettes, and a cheeseburger made of pink slime..

  215. Why do you continue to refuse to provide your own evidence to back up your opinion? Despite repeated requests to provide links, studies, research, abstracts, you have refused.

  216. For the same reason the author of this op. ed. didn’t provide any. I’m not interested in convincing you of anything despite your feigned arrogance that I’m obliged to do so. I’m not. Take as many jabs as you like. I’ll pass.

  217. OH this is fun….
    I checked out your link… and the links attached to it… and some links attached to that…..

    And this is what I found….

    Your own evidence was shown to be not reproducible in general
    populations, but those who did the studies admitted that infection of vaccinated populations only occurred under very specific high crowding situations over extended periods of time, not in a general population.

    Let’s take a look at the article you posted.
    It states:
    “Recently published research in the New England Journal of Medicine1 investigated the reasons behind, and potential solutions, for mumps outbreaks reported to the CDC during the past several years. According to the authors, widespread use of the MMR vaccine had reduced the annual incidence of mumps in
    the US by more than 99 percent by 2005.”

    The article provides no links to the original NEJM article, or CDC reports – you have to follow to a second page, then another link, to get to the articles. (had I written this while in university, I would have received a failing mark for that).

    When I finally found the original NEJM article, it states:

    “Conclusions:
    The epidemiologic features of this outbreak suggest that intense
    exposures, particularly among boys in schools, facilitated transmission and overcame vaccine-induced protection in these patients. High rates of two-dose coverage reduced the severity of the disease and the transmission to persons in settings of less intense exposure.”

    WAIT A MINUTE!!!!!! The very report you are using to argue with me actually says that the vaccination resulted in lower severity and lower transmission rates!!!!!! Yeah… vaccinations are BADDDDDD….

  218. Actually, if you want to participate in a conversation, or debate, it IS your obligation to provide the evidence to support your side. To not do so is just trolling.
    I know – you will cry that I am name-calling and taking jabs…. I am ok with that.
    You provided an opinion. You did not provide anything to back it up. I am allowed to state that is just absolutely stupid and that if you expect me to have any respect for your opinion, you should be able to back it up. Since you continue to refuse, I will continue to disrespect your position as stupid.

  219. i guess you can’t read then or something? or you completely dismissed the publication and found another one? guess you missed the part where it said “Vaccines are never 100 percent protective, and the reason for this is because they provide only artificial, temporary, typically inferior immunity compared to that your body would obtain from naturally contracting and recovering from an infection.”

    i guess you also missed the this part? or covering up the ineffectiveness of the mumps portion of the MMR vaccine, costing the US government millions of dollars in wasted funds over the past decade, and exposing children to unnecessary risks from the vaccine for very limited benefit.”
    pick and choose what you want to read.. but at the end of the day, it sounds like you should go give a member of the fda or cdc and sloppy blowjob for dealing bogus drugs.

  220. i also missed the part where scientists were supposed to be english majors and cater to your fantasy romance reading. unfortunately there are more important things in this case then writing a best selling fiction novel.. im not so sure you can handle searching google with a huge mental block like you have.. ive read both sides.. and will not side with vaccines.. throw us in the gas chambers, but when you realize how much they’ve fucked you up, hopefully you get the point..

  221. You are so funny…..
    No one ever said vaccines are 100% effective.
    That quote you gave “vaccines are never 100% effective… blah blah blah….” has no reference attached to it – there is no supporting documentation for it. It is the writer’s opinion, not fact.
    Also, the covering up part… here is your tin foil hat…. get over the conspiracy theory nonsense already. No evidence to support that either.
    Also, the article you posted is from a person who has a vested interest and bias, who uses these articles as a tool to sell his own products, for his own financial gain (hmmmmm very much like those pharmaceutical companies you dislike so much).
    And, at the end of the day, once again, you have still failed to provide research, evidence, and peer-reviewed literature reviews of studies that were reproducible to verify your position.
    I am tired of doing your homework for you….

  222. apparently ,he’d responded to the vaccine well,as he had a good level of antibodies, at that time but, that makes me wonder,whether this is not the case,when a different strain of mumps virus is around..like G type, and the vaccine contains a A strain..?

  223. So your link to the CDC shows that there have been no deaths reported in the last 4 years from any of these diseases. You have not shown death increases at all. The unvaccinated are not giving anybody the disease – they are getting it from the vaccinated who are shedding the diseases to everybody. The unvaccinated have gained natural immunity – which lasts their whole life.
    On top of that the deaths reported up to that time were down to single digits.
    They still are reporting the flue (approx. 500 in the USA per year) as if it were 30,000 – which includes 29,500 pneumonia cases. The death rate for the flu is in the single digits too…….

  224. Don’t forget that they changed the definition of POLIO when they introduced the vaccine. It immediately showed a very flawed favorable polio vaccine benefit. In actuality – polio is worse now than ever. They just DO NOT call it polio.

  225. Can you provide some references to support that “polio is worse than ever”? I would like to see them. I am hoping you can provide peer reviewed research on that.

  226. “The unvaccinated are not giving anybody the disease – they are getting it from the vaccinated who are shedding the diseases to everybody. The unvaccinated have gained natural immunity – which lasts their whole life.”
    Where is your evidence to support this?
    Please provide research data, and peer-reviewed reports.

  227. You clearly have no idea what you’re talking about. Chances are the same with or without vaccines? Are you that fcking stupid? As for mercury, most thimerasol has been removed from vaccines for kids under 6, and the only oer mercury content is trace amount of less than 1 microgram per dose. You get more mercury from eating sushi.

  228. So I speak in general terms, this being a very general-terms sort of discussion, and you try to prove me wrong by going on to long discussions on a subject? I said, simply, that “vaccinations played a role” in the eradication of smallpox, since this discussion is about the merits of vaccinations, and you try to mention the history of smallpox? I don’t get it. I’m sorry, but I don’t get what you’re trying to prove. We both seem to agree that smallpox was fought using innoculations and a vaccine program.

    My mentioning of smallpox was a sidenote, to reinforce my statements regarding the health benefits of vaccinations in general. Nowhere have I said otherwise.

    You’re focusing on the specifics of the MMR vaccine, when I haven’t really been talking about that at all, because, again, the arguments in these threads aren’t about the mumps vaccine specifically, but vaccines in general.

    So, what are you trying to say? in cliff notes. That the mumps vaccine, specifically, isn’t up to par? Because you know what? I’m not an immunologist. Maybe you’re right. The great thing about science is it’s always improving and doesn’t accept things on blind faith. Or is it that vaccines are a health hazard?

    because it that’s your belief, I’m sorry, but you’re wrong. And there’s no collection of data that would suggest otherwise.

  229. I’m sorry ,what? So, you’re unvacinated, therefore, you don’t have the disease?

    Are you under the impression that before vaccines, there was no such thing as illness?

    As I’ve said before, a few times, read the article. You can spread the illness with a vaccine. Vaccines just help curb the spread of illness, reducing the chances of an outbreak.

    Your odds of getting infected increase without a vaccination. And while it will help, healthy living and a positive attitude is only going to get you so far.

  230. I forgot to mention it before, but a quick addendum. People that are against vaccines seem to be of the mindset that it’s all about money. This bothers me because, well, most everything is about money, so why is it that vaccine makers get singled out?

    I know people that make this argument, but if you turn it around and point out that the music they like, the books they read, and the healthy foods they eat all have a financial interest, they get upset. Why are vaccines different?

    And also, if drug companies were entirely about the money, why would they release vaccines at all? It’s so much more profitable to treat the disease, as opposed to stopping its spread. And don’t say “it’s PR”, because if you look outside these days, clearly the drug companies aren’t swimming in good PR.

    Vaccines exist (and are generally quite cheap, comparitively speaking) because the people that make them are generally decent, caring human beings. And sure, they make money, but who doesn’t?

  231. you are just a pathetic pharmaceutical troll.. so what you work for some pharma company? where do you find the time to troll youtube trying to convince people to take vaccines? if you have kids i feel really sorry for them.. if you have a wife i feel really sorry for her.

  232. Lmfao. Who is this “they”, and when did “they” change the name of an identified and classified virus? Stop your ignorant, misinformed, dangerous fear mongering.

  233. Science is NOT a democracy. It does not care about your incorrect opinion, only the data and the facts. This is not religion that we’re discussing.

  234. Are you out of your mind? When did scientific data and virology become “pop culture?” You are speaking from a position of pure ignorance. Sorry to be the one to break the news to you.

  235. Than*
    Even my 13-yo knows the difference. It speaks to your general intelligence level, which you’ve already shown to be well below average. Your posts speak volumes to support that. Annie is being far too kind.

  236. Lol, my daughter is very healthy,m thank you. And she has had all of her vaccines. I do not work for any pharma company, but I do have a PhD in molecular genetics, and biochemistry. I also did my postdoctorate in protein biochemistry with significant experience in the field of molecular virology. So yeah, I know more about this stuff than you. Period. This is not subject to a vote, and science doesn’t care about your misguided opinions. Science is driven by data and facts. Clinical trials are driven by results and statistics. Risk vs reward. All of this is documented in medical and scientific journals, not on pseudoscience sites or those pandering to tinfoil hat-wearing nut ags. So, again, please provide peer-review journal citations to support your “opinions” so that we can have a productive conversation. Otherwise, please go fc

  237. ol, my daughter is very healthy,m thank you. And she has had all of her vaccines. I do not work for any pharma company, but I do have a PhD in molecular genetics, and biochemistry. I also did my postdoctorate in protein biochemistry with significant experience in the field of molecular virology. So yeah, I know more about this stuff than you. Period. This is not subject to a vote, and science doesn’t care about your misguided opinions. Science is driven by data and facts. Clinical trials are driven by results and statistics. Risk vs reward. All of this is documented in medical and scientific journals, not on pseudoscience sites or those pandering to tinfoil hat-wearing nut ags. So, again, please provide peer-review journal citations to support your “opinions” so that we can have a productive conversation. Otherwise, please go

  238. Otherwise, please go fck yourself. Sorry that got cut off. It was the most important part!

  239. “Once science has been established, once a scientific truth emerges from a consensus of experiments and observations, it is the way of the world. When different experiments give you the same result, it is no longer subject to your opinion. That’s the good thing about science: It’s true whether or not you believe in it. That’s why it works.” -Neil deGrasse Tyson

  240. First, I love the name calling. You know nothing about me, but I can guarantee you know very little about science. Or history, for that matter. You get more mercury from a serving of sushi than you do from a vaccine, and that’s without even considering that thimerasol has been removed from most vaccines given to children under 6, and that where it remains, it is in trace amounts – about 1 ug per dose. Do you even know what a microgram is? Vaccines have saved more lives than any other scientific innovation besides maybe antibiotics. I don’t have the numbers, and frankly, you’re not worth the extra google search. Oh, and as I have become fond of posting on this thread, science doesn’t care about your opinion. Not even a little. Have a nice day.

  241. Actually, it’s the people who share your anti-science, anti-intellectual beliefs who are most likely ultra religious and lacking the ability for critical thinking. Have fun with that.

  242. Your life must be a very lonely and angry place. First things first. My daughter and wife are very healthy, thank you. Second, this is not youtube. Smh. Finally, I do not work for any pharma company, nor have I ever. I do, however, have a phd in molecular biology and biochemistry, and postdoctorate in protein biochemistry with an emphasis on molecular virology. So yeah, I know more about this. Stuff than you. Period.

  243. This site is bad about editing, so sorry about that. Let me finish my thoughts. Your posts and rants on this site show someone who is woefully misinformed about how vaccines, and science in general, work. Yet you come here and spout off ad hom attacks and conspiracy theory -driven fear mongering about soething you simply do not understand.

  244. And again, science doesn’t care what you think or feel. It is not concerned in the least with your unsupported opinions. Sorry, that’s just not how it works. Please go back in your basement and hide from the big scary outside world. Your fears and unfounded beliefs must have you paralyzed and clearly very very angry.

  245. lol yeah and you are telling me the bullshit you post is legitimate? what conspiracy are you talking about?? you are just some bitter old women who had some bad luck with the chicken pox and lost hearing.. does it mean someone else should go get a vaccine because your immune system is full of shit and destroyed? sucks to be you, but im not gonna use some crazy old vaccinated bat who cathes diseases easy as my reason for doing it.. its not my fault you’re dumb enough to go expose yourself to more chicken pox.. because the only way you catch it is very close contact.. that vaccine wouldn’t have done shit all if you had it as a kid.. seeing as how you told me you already had the virus.. keep believing that though.. its rather amusing.

    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/07/23/merck-vaccine-fraud-story-buried.aspx

    http://www.thewestwire.com/cdc-mmr-autism-cover-up-president-merck-vaccine-division/

    http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn13685-drug-giant-merck-accused-of-deaths-coverup.html#.VJlrEF4CA

    http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2004/11/viox-n10.html

    http://www.anh-usa.org/autism-vaccine-cover-up-latest-updates/

    I can keep going on and on.. im surprised, someone like you with no life can’t find any cases against any drug company? or do you just skip over those websites? im not against every drug but there are hundreds of drug scandals that aren’t conspiracies in the united states alone.. people don’t oppose them just for the sake of opposing them.. its not some crazy pseudoscience, and there are scientists out there smart enough to test these kinds of drugs who don’t work for any pharma company.. weather you choose to believe it or not.. at the end of the day, its a business.. a stock traded business.. billions

  246. what lives have they saved? just because someone doesn’t die doesn’t mean they were saved by a vaccine lol.. its not like the diseases they vaccinate for can’t be treated right away.. its not “immunity” as the misleading definition suggests.. im just looking for some hard stats about who actually died because they weren’t vaccinated.. people keep giving me this bullshit chart with diseases from the 1950s that spread so much because people didn’t realize what they had and weren’t diagnosed or treated properly.. or told to quarantine themselves.. medicine wasn’t the same.. not to mention that living conditions weren’t as good.. overall, the people who died were most likely living in extremely poor conditions without adequate antibiotics.. where are these deaths and saved lives from vaccines though?

  247. Medicine is not science. The guy who wrote this op ed is not backing up his rabid pro-vaccine opinions with any data or facts. You’re not supplying any either. Demanding that someone else hand-hold you by supplying research is a nice ploy but you’ll have to try it on someone who’s naïve.

  248. You believe in vaccines because you’ve been socially normed to accept that they’re beneficial. That’s pop-culture conditioning, and that’s all you get from public health officials. You obviously don’t read medical journals because there’s plenty of debate about vaccine effectiveness there. You’re either a paid troll or a dupe.

  249. lol yeah.. except the results come directly from pharma companies and are doctored to cater towards fda approval.. its ok though. other people do research.. its just pharma trolls like you who disregard any science that doesn’t come from a drug company, or its associates.. whats the point of conjuring up some massive anti vax campaign? it makes zero sense if all studies came out the same..independent scientists have no reason to lie, but pharma companies do, because the product makes them billions.. i wouldn’t even be surprised if they produced and supply nicotine to cigarette companies. you seem to be a pretty greecy person. wouldn’t trust you one bit.

  250. most thimerasol has been removed from vaccines for kids right? i guess thats why you denied the fact that the previous mercury doses given were toxic and dangerous? LOL yet you defend all testing done by all those pharma scam artists? mercury wasn’t taken out until someone else pointed out the fact that it was poisoning children and causing mental disabilities.. you waited for someone else to let everyone know.. hmmm, and you expect people to trust.. what a load of fucking shit.

  251. the falsehood? im not against medical.. im just not for vaccines.. they do not strengthen the immune system.. if anything they weaken it because you are not even necessarily exposed to the same virus strain, and a mild form is not enough to build a healthy immunity. im not against government, but when they lie about crucial things that hurt people and wastes other peoples money while profiting themselves.. i won’t argue, but the same authority you talk about helping people are the same ones who approve the sales of leisure drugs and harmful fume producing chemicals that are clearly not safe for mankind.. im sorry, but if you can’t see the fast personal gain aspect of vaccine companies then you are a lost cause.. the u.s government always uses fear tactics to get what they want out of their population, then they go spread whatever bullshit they want everywhere else.. lol its not a myth… its not like fucking unicorns running around and aliens taking over.. its called greed.

  252. maybe because vaccines don’t stop the spread of disease at all? in case you forgot, the whole world isn’t vaccinated.. the outbreaks we always see involves both parties, vaccinated and non vaccinated.. to blame non vaccinated people is idiotic and old.. our bodys are naturally designed to get sick and recover.. people died from diseases in the 40s and 50s because medical, sanitation, and overall living conditions were shit.. those same viruses do not even kill non vaccinated people today… but to say vaccinated people don’t die because they are vaccinated and ignore all the other billions who live healthy lives non vaccinated is just retarded science and stupid ignorance..

  253. fear mongering? what like tricking people into thinking they need to take an artificial additive because their immune systems aren’t capable of handling certain diseases? disease is always going to be part of life.. new strains of diseases are formed every day, so when are you ever going to stop? gonna start giving babies 100 vaccines to account for every known virus? disease will never be eliminated.. and all these “outbreaks” really can’t be avoided because vaccinated people can attract and spread disease just like anyone else which is why they still get quarantined.. and im not sure if you’ve ever taken a history lesson before, but when money is involved peoples way of interpreting data is skewed.. being a molecular biologist you can’t even prove the fact that diseases like polio and measles are under direct control of vaccines because of all the other medical advancements since the 30s 40s and 50s have all attributed to healthier environments. being able to recognize symptoms and treat diseases so they don’t get worse.. most people get adequate healthcare and have for quite sometime now.. over time peoples immune systems through evolution and fighting off various diseases get stronger not through constant drug injection. you’ve probably posted more comments then me on this site, so you are a hypocrite, and for a phd in molecular biology, you sure spend a lot of time fighting with people on a website. god knows how many others you troll. where do you find the time?

  254. Wow… after reading that childish playground name-calling
    tantrum, I don’t know whether to buy you a new box of crayons or get you a bigger sandbox. Did you stomp your feet while you typed that too?

    Let’s take a look at your links, shall we?

    A Mercola Post – I thought we had already gone over this.
    Dr. Mercola writes articles – he does not do the research, he does not do the studies, and he is not a credible, unbiased resource, as his website that you keep posting from is his business where he wants you to buy his products…. Hmmmm – it is a business… let’s look at what you said about big pharma “at the end of the day, its a business.”

    The Westwire article – once again, not a search study. A self-appointed “Alternative News” website, where many of the articles are written by Dr Mercola (again, we have covered his business reasons for wanting to post what he does, because “at the end of the day, its a business.”) And oh yes – one study supposedly “proving” vaccinations cause autism definitely negates the HUNDREDS that show that it doesn’t. (we will discuss evidence based medicine in a bit).

    New Scientist article – again, an article… about Vioxx… and this is relevant to vaccinations how? Oh yeah – big pharma lies to us… unlike homeopaths, and natural remedy advocates, who suggest (and supply) a tree bark called sassafras tea to people with urinary tract infections. This natural remedy is carcinogenic, and causes slowing of the central nervous system, with harmful interactions with other medications. (and, there is no evidence
    that it actually works!). See. both your reference and mine are completely irrelevant to vaccinations.

    So, three strikes, you are out… I won’t waste my time looking at the others.

    Now, to some of your other comments.

    No one has ever stated that vaccinations would be 100% effective. You have chosen to make that assumption about
    that.

    Back to my having chicken pox. You continue to completely misinterpret my comments. I had chicken pox the first time at age 12. Had the vaccine been available, I would have received it at a younger age than that. So your continued comments about “that vaccine wouldn’t have done shit all if you had it as a kid.. seeing as how you told me you already had the virus” continue to just be bullshit; and, your comment “dumb enough to go expose yourself to more chicken pox” – isn’t that exactly what you anti-vaxxers believe in? Let’s expose ourselves to the virus, so that we will build up an immunity. Hmmmmm hypocritical much? You can’t have it both ways, where you should, or shouldn’t be exposed to the illness. So which is it?

    Let’s go back to what actually constitutes evidence.

    In the medical field, there is something called “evidence-based
    medicine” that every medical field (with the exception of homeopaths and anti-vaxxers) work toward. How is something determined to be evidence-based?
    When reviewing the multitude of studies, the methodology has to be disclosed, and the analysis has to be disclosed. The testing has to be reproduceable.

    There is an evidence hierarchy, where the higher up the list, the more valid the evidence is.

    The evidence hierarchy depends on the type of conclusions. For
    conclusions about causation (i.e., the effect of interventions or exposures on outcomes), the evidence hierarchy from highest to lowest validity includes:
    a. Randomized trials
    b. Quasi-randomized trials
    c. Cohort studies (observational comparisons of exposed and unexposed persons)
    d. Case-control studies (observational comparisons of persons with and without the outcome of interest)
    e. Case series (uncontrolled trials)
    f. Expert opinion

    For conclusions about diagnostic accuracy, the evidence hierarchy from highest to lowest validity includes:
    a. Diagnostic cohort studies (with representative sample of patients with diagnostic uncertainty)
    b. Diagnostic case-control studies (with non-representative samples of patients with known diagnosis and controls)
    c. Diagnostic case series (including only patients with diagnosis to evaluate sensitivity only, or only patients without diagnosis to evaluate specificity only)
    d. Expert opinion

    For conclusions about prognosis, the evidence hierarchy includes:
    a. Inception cohort studies
    b. Retrospective cohort studies
    c. Case series
    d. Expert opinion

    (quoted from http://health.ebsco.com/… An internationally well respected provider of scientific research studies)

    Notice that the links you provided are only so-called expert opinion, the LOWEST and least valid form of evidence-based
    medicine.

    Here – take a look at a couple of sites: PubMed is a non-biased site that provides millions of research reports. Ebsco is
    also a collection site for reports. I recommend that you spend some time, and read numerous reports from those sites.

    So, you can continue to have your tantrum, and call names, but until you actually provide the actual research, showing double blind studies, randomized testing, and replicated studies, that are peer-reviewed and published in a non-biased medical journal, your opinions continue to be invalid.

    I will not continue to reply to your childish name-calling posts. You have proven again and again that you are incapable of providing actual evidence, that you are incapable of cognitive
    reading, and incapable of interacting like an adult.

  255. Can you define “basically irradicated”? If you meant eradicated, how can something be “basically” eradicated? Either something is eradicated or it’s not.

    If it blows your mind that people choose not to vaccinated perhaps you can present a controlled long-term study for those who choose not to vaccinated that demonstrates that fully vaccinated children have better overall health outcomes than fully unvaccinated?

  256. The CDC is charged with vaccine uptake and is not an unbiased source of information, please try again.

  257. You missed looking at the rates of persistent pesticides and comparing them to polio. If you disagree that vaccines do more harm then good, please post a link to any study comparing overall health outcomes between fully vaccinated and fully vaccinated children to back up your claim. I don’t make any such claims because I know such a study has never been done, but I do believe that there is widespread corruption in the industry and glaring conflicts of interest between the government regulatory agencies that are tasked with ensuring the safety of food and drugs like vaccines and until the revolving door gets shut down and the agencies rebuilt I have no issues with anyone choosing not to vaccinate.

    Dr. Julie Gerberding, former CDC director, spoke many times for Merck in her role with the CDC specifically touting the benefits of the MMR vaccine. What job did Julie take when she left the CDC? Head of Vaccines at Merck Pharmaceuticals.

  258. Just as there are no controlled studies to support the notion that the current vaccine schedule results in overall healthier children than not vaccinating at all.

  259. No you’re mistaking mathematics with science. Science is not only about data and facts, science is about money and industry.

  260. Just as you not knowing anyone who was permanently injured from a vaccine doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen.

  261. Sorry but that’s not true, Pertussis (whooping cough) and influenza vaccines do nothing to prevent transmission. In addition vaccines carry a very real set of risks too, if someone decides they don’t want to risk their own health to “protect” someone else that doesn’t mean that they’re of the opinion that the other person’s health doesn’t matter. That’s a pretty huge unsupported jump in logic.

  262. How have they saved “millions of lives” when historical data shows us that in many cases death rates had been reduced by over 99% in the 100 year period leading up to each diseases’ vaccination being first administered and the rate of decline was not changing. You cannot give the credit to a phenomenon that has no effect on something. You seem to be confusing morbidity rates with mortality rates. People often talk about how mortality rates don’t matter because the diseases cause all sorts of other conditions like encephalopathies, deafness, blindness, etc., but then at some point the vaccine zealot will issue the magic words, “wait until your decision kills someone”. So either death rates matter or they don’t, you can’t have it both ways.

  263. It’s much more simple than that. If following the vaccine schedule today will result in my child’s overall health outcomes being better than refusing vaccinations altogether, please prove it with scientific data. It doesn’t matter who the person is saying, “vaccinating is the smarter, healthier decision”, all that matters is what the scientific data says and to the best of my knowledge no-one has bothered to do such a study, that leaves us with the scientific data = blind faith. Unless of course you’re aware of a study that the CDC is not aware of?

  264. Or quite simply, show me the scientific data that shows fully vaccinating is healthier.

  265. Your post is full of falsified claims, not Wakefield’s paper. Perhaps you should do your own research instead of learning about these issues from other people’s internet comments?

    1) There was no made up data. There were 11 other authors, if you think any data was made up why some 15 years later hasn’t a single author of the paper agreed with you? The other authors disagreed with one possible interpretation of the data, not that the data was “made up”.

    2) The paper was retracted over 10 years after it had been published in the Lancet, how did such a false paper published in one of the most prestigious peer-reviewed journals last so long? The paper was retracted by Sir Crispin Davis, CEO of Elsevier at the time. He was also making 70,000 pounds/year in a non-executive directorial position on the board of UK MMR makers Glaxo Smith Kline. No conflict of interests there right?

    3) Not one single paper has compared ASD rates between fully vaccinated and fully unvaccinated children. If you’re referring to the Danish MMR study that looked at children who had MMR and who didn’t, that’s comparing kids with some 44 doses of 14 vaccines to those with some 42 doses of 13 vaccines, that is not a vax/unvax study. In addition Wakefield never said MMR causes autism, he said in a small subset of children with a pre-existing gastrointestinal disorder that MMR may trigger an autistic condition. The Danish MMR study did not compare ASD rates between those with this conditions who received MMR and those with this conditions that didn’t. He didn’t say stop vaccinating, he said consider the monovalent measles vaccine until more studies could be done on the MMR vaccine. The measles monovalent vaccine was still widely available at the time.

    4) He lost his medical license because he failed to get ethics committee approval for some of the studies that were done. The 5-man panel that decided ethics committee approval was warranted didn’t have a single pediatric gastroenterologist on the panel, there was a GP, an adult psychiatrist, a geriatrician and two laypersons. No wonder Professor John Walker-Smith won his appeal to have his license reinstated a year or so later, no doubt Wakefield would have too.

    Facts are very important, these are just a few you seem to have neglected in your post.

    The problem with your statement about convincing evidence is that there has never been a single study comparing overall health outcomes between fully vaccinated and fully unvaccinated children, therefore the kind of evidence which one would find useful to support convincing parents to vaccinate doesn’t exist. You haven’t even scratched the surface of the problems that exist with the government regulatory agencies charged with ensuing these products are safe, does the revolving door not bother you? Does it not even make you bat an eyelid that the CDC’s former director who spoke many times about the safety of MMR while in her role as the CDC Director is now employed by US MMR makers Merck as “Head of Vaccines”?

  266. Incorrect, Merck grossly overstated the efficacy of the mumps portion of the MMR vaccine.

  267. You have never heard of mutations I expect?

    Acellular pertussis vaccination enhances B. parapertussis colonization

    An acellular whooping cough vaccine actually enhances the
    colonization of Bordetella parapertussis in mice; pointing towards a rise in B.parapertussis incidence resulting from acellular vaccination, which may have contributed to the observed increase in whooping cough over the last decade.

    Published: 2010

    Author(s): Long GH, Karanikas AT, Harvill ET, Read AF, &
    Hudson PJ

    Title: Acellular pertussis vaccination facilitates Bordetella parapertussis infection in a rodent model of bordetellosis

    Journal: Proceedings of the Royal Society Biological Sciences
    doi: 10.1098/rspb.2010.0010

    Despite widespread vaccination, whooping cough incidence is
    on the rise worldwide, making it the only vaccine-preventable disease associated with increasing deaths in the United States. Although this disease is most often attributed to Bordetella pertussis infection, it is also caused by the closely related pathogen, B. parapertussis. However, B. pertussis has remained the center of attention, whereas B. parapertussis has been greatly overlooked in the development of whooping cough vaccines.

  268. No they couldn’t and there are hundreds of new vaccines in development for this lucrative multibillion dollar industry.

  269. Sorry, I am still correct, your paranoia overshadows any rational discussion. Thankfully,we will never return to the days when kids got these diseases, especially polio.

  270. There are many proven scientific documents proving the validity of vaccinations. The problem is that those who are against vaccinations think that the legitimate scientific studies are part of a conspiracy from the drug companies and the medical association. The bottom line is that people will do what ever they want to regardless if proof is staring them in the face. They doubt the proof. Then they come up with bogus studies which are erroneous, which prove the dangers of vaccinations. You are just going to have to make up your own mind on that one, as I am not out to convince anyone, one way or the other. That is the whole point of this article.http://m.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/12/vaccine-myth-busting-can-backfire/383700/

  271. Right back atcha, spaghetti person. Though I’m more of an Invisible Pink Unicorn guy, myself. 😉

  272. 1. Vaccinated people DO die. No one has said otherwise. All vaccines do is help increase odds of survival.

    2. “People died from diseases in the 40s and 50s because medical…. conditions were shit”

    Hey, we agree! Luckily, I count vaccines as a medical improvement!

    3. “Stupid ignorance” is almost poetic in its… oh, wait, no. It’s a completely bollocks thing to say.

    4. Outbreaks happen because the whole world isn’t vaccinated. hey, we agree on that too!

    you know, except for that whole “stupid ignorance” thing you were talking about, you’re a pretty smart guy!

  273. I already summarized my resume for you. It’s more than you deserved, but I did it to make the point that just because I work in the field does not mean I’m a pharma shill. Do you have any idea how many independent scientists would love to be the one to uncover fraud like that which you describe? You clearly have no understanding of how the scientific community works, nor what it would take to cover up a huge conspiracy perpetrated by big pharma. Absolutely ridiculous. Your ignorance has grown tiresome, so I’m done feeding this troll. Good luck surviving in your tinfoil covered bubble. I’m sure you’ll be safe and sound in there.

  274. You’re fcking joking, right? so antibiotics – created by the same industry that brings you life-saving vaccines are ok, but vaccines are a deep dark pharma conspiracy? the people who died from polio! measles! pertussis, before vaccines are part of the conspiracy too? holy shlt! you’re delusional.

  275. As in, “Almost eradicated, but not quite”. Basic, common english usage. If you wanna quibble on semantics, though, hey, be my guest. I can see you’re an expert englishologist. I eagerly await your foray into blowing my mind.

    And you know what? On that second bit? What are you looking for? A long term study that shows that vaccinated children fare better than non-vaccinated? Because, there’s a really good one. It’s called “Lowering of infant mortality rates in the first world since the second world war”. Which links pretty closely to the raise in vaccination rates.

    You want the information, you do a search. It’s Christmas Eve-Eve, and I don’t really see the point in searching for it. You won’t listen anyways, so find it yourself.

  276. She should have jJust kept her mouth shut when she didn’t know wtf she was talking about.

  277. it… it… was a joke.

    A joke.

    And this industry is lucrative, you say?

    Can I… can I… can I invest? I like lucrative. And it helps people, too! Count me in.

    I like the cut of your jib.

  278. First, Capitals and “I’m”.

    Second, science also brought us the internet, crop rotation, and electric lights. And if those aren’t safe enough for you, it also brought us safety jackets, safety scissors, and, well, safes. And you can’t get any safer than a safe.

    It’s in the name.

    Onto the topic at hand. What unnatural things do vaccines do to the immune system? Because, you’re right, they DO unnatural things. Like, a lot more kids in this century are unnaturally living to see their adult years. Which is just bonkers.

  279. lol yeah they live longer because of vaccines.. just keep playing that card, and you lose.. its the joker card. you are supposed to take that out of the deck.. and what the fuck are you even talking about? i said i was for science, and never said it was all bad.. someone said science brought us vaccines so they must be good.. and im sorry, but people DO NOT live longer because of vaccines.. life expectancy has nothing to fucking do with vaccines.. if you took every other advancement away and left only vaccines, the same amount of people would die as in the 40s and 50s.. im sorry this is inconvenient for you idiots.

  280. no. vaccines and infant mortality have zero correlation.. delivery process is alot different and better.. people don’t give birth by themselves inside their own home anymore lol.. i guess that has nothing to do with it though.. ALL HAIL VACCINES..

  281. so dumb.. yeah i said getting chicken pox at a young age is better than getting the vaccine.. this is where vaccinated people have a braindead mental block.. they think that just because they get vaccinated it means they can go get sneezed on by someone with chicken pox and it won’t do anything.. lol.. this in itself is more dangerous than anything… second, the publications i gave you were about merck covering up vaccine data that doesn’t promote vaccines.. i don’t give a flat fuck what you believe, because its very true.. pretty soon, long term data will make you fear mongering dimwits understand, but until then, i guess you can keep clinging to your idiotic theories of why people don’t die from polio today.. take vaccines out of the equation and peoples health would be exactly the same, if not better. lol do you have any idea how many viruses and strains of viruses there are? so where do they stop with the vaccines? there are thousands of viruses worse than polio and measles.. are you going to make a 1000 vaccines and force people to take them all in a day? i solute you for your narrow mindedness and absolute clueless theories based off your unfortunate luck with chicken pox. ps, your hearing would still be gone if you were vaccinated. sorry to say, but you cling to shit.

  282. I’ve searched long and hard for it, no such study exists. In fact the CDC acknowledge such a study doesn’t exist and they give rather bizarre reasons like non-vaccinating parents may make other decisions that vaccinating parents might not make like choosing vegetables without synthetic pesticides, in essence they believe non-vaccinating parents will have healthier children but it won’t be because they didn’t vaccinate.

    Your infant mortality comment is funny, infant mortality rates are better now than they were right after a World War? Going out on a limb there. How about comparing infant mortality rates based on # of vaccinations given, see PMID PMC3170075.

    The infant mortality rate (IMR) is one of the most important indicators of the socio-economic well-being and public health conditions of a country. The US childhood immunization schedule specifies 26 vaccine doses for infants aged less than 1 year–the most in the world–yet 33 nations have lower IMRs. Using linear regression, the immunization schedules of these 34 nations were examined and a correlation coefficient of r = 0.70 (p < 0.0001) was found between IMRs and the number of vaccine doses routinely given to infants. Nations were also grouped into five different vaccine dose ranges: 12-14, 15-17, 18-20, 21-23, and 24-26. The mean IMRs of all nations within each group were then calculated. Linear regression analysis of unweighted mean IMRs
    showed ****a high statistically significant correlation between increasing number of vaccine doses and increasing infant mortality rates****, with r = 0.992 (p = 0.0009). Using the Tukey-Kramer test, statistically significant differences in mean IMRs were found between nations giving 12-14 vaccine doses and those giving 21-23, and 24-26 doses. A closer inspection of correlations between vaccine doses, biochemical or synergistic toxicity, and IMRs is essential.

    Repeat – "a high statistically significant correlation between increasing number of vaccine doses and increasing infant mortality rates"

  283. lol the tin foil hat expression is getting really fucking old you stupid quack.. as if no one in history has ever lied for greed or personal gain.. or control. we are not talking about aliens, we are talking about corruption and propaganda.. two things that have existed throughout all of history, and will never go away.. its human nature.. we saw it with the romans, egyptians, germans, and just about every large ruthless empire that ever crumbled.. we all know who’s next on the list.. except of course you idiots.

  284. you provide information from the cdc website who is renowned for skewing and eliminating data from their website.. lol.. your links make you look worse than before you gave them.. just goes to show that all you stupid shills stick together. what other vaccine websites do you troll? the only reason i came here was because im a hockey fan and was curious how the nutjobs would try to spin this around on people who don’t get vaccinated.. there isn’t even an anti vax movement.. there are just little sheep lapdogs that believe constant injection of chemical poison will prevent you from dying, and lots of healthy people who don’t believe this.. you are the type of idiot that ignores things like global warming until its too late just so you can buy your 3rd mansion on the isle of mann lol.

  285. / lol stupid bitch asked everyone for peer reviewed studies so she can shoot them down and discredit them when she realizes they aren’t cdc or fda documents.. what a crock of fucking bullshit. its really easy to do what you do.. your entire basis of evidence is that people died more in the 40’s than in 2014, and this is because of vaccines.. no, you are stupid. im not sure if you have any kids, but god bless a mother that gives their children 14 vaccines and wonders why their child is sick. you know absolute shit all about what you are talking about.

  286. Sorry Laurie. The research in support of vaccinations is out there in abundance – in medical journals, scientific journals, text books, primary research articles, etc. it is supported by independent, verifiable work done in the fields of virology, molecular biology, epidemiology, etc.

  287. Medicine is based on science and data. Drugs are approved for use through clinical trials that are evaluated by independent review boards – not pharmaceutical companies. The stringency by which a drug must be shown to be effective is stringent and rigorous. Have you ever tried to publish a paper in a scientific journal? I can assure you that if there is a hole in your data, it will be torn apart. On rare occasions, bad data does get through, as in the case of the fraudulent and retracted paper by the disgraced doctor who claimed a link between MMR and autism. In these very rare cases, the system will uncover these frauds because ultimately, their research and results will not be repeatable.

    Again, I’m not interested in your unfounded opinions. They do not change the facts any more than a religious zealots conviction that Jesus talk to them.

  288. Bullshlt! I believe in vaccines because I am a scientist working in this field. I am required to read AND publish in these journals you likely don’t even understand. Pop culture? How ignorant.

  289. Do you even understand the difference between ethyl mercury and methyl mercury? Do you not understand that science will always be changing, as will the medical practices it influences? Why is this so hard for you to understand? Why are you so anti-science and so pro-conspiracy? Did something happen to you to make you so paranoid and jaded? Yes, sure, there will always be corruption, in all fields. This is not restricted to pharma and medicine by any means. So why all the focus on something you refuse to understand? You don’t seem like a stupid person, but your actions don’t fit that.

  290. Take out of the deck? Why are we talking about cards?

    You’re all for science? Then give me facts. Because right now, you’re making value judgments. So, gimme some cold hard facts. Because right now, you’re in tinfoil hat land.

    Which I’m sure would look dapper if you slid a little joker card in there. I’m guessing you may have a few spares.

  291. Someone handed you a script, huh? Sorry, whateveryournameis, and everyone should distrust these anonymous screen names of people who are afraid to post as real people, no sale. Nobody trusts corporate sponsored propaganda.

  292. Hey Pasta! Thank you! I am trying to be polite to jon kimble, but my patience is wearing dangerously thin…. perhaps we need to get together to develop a vaccine against such stupidity, just in case it is contagious. 🙂

  293. You know jon, I have tried to be polite, but I think you are
    eating those wax crayons I sent you.

    Ahh yes, your so-called proof… I am not sure you want to
    have Dr. Harold Buttram as your guru, when his other claim to fame is that the shaken baby syndrome is really due to vaccine injury rather than physical trauma and has published articles in HIS Association’s journal (no bias there!) defending that claim. (Google it – it is entertaining)

    I find it interesting that you are so quick to say that big pharma and CDC are so corrupt and self-centered… but every link you have provided is based on corruption and self-centeredness – your references are from their own personal websites where they want to sell you something (gasp! – heaven forbid they are trying to make money off the pharmaceuticals THEY make!!) You are such a hypocrite – you bash the CDC and big pharm, yet you follow the words of these people who are doing exactly what you accuse big pharma and the CDC of doing. .

    Here – have some light peer-reviewed reading…

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25523219
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25446818
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25424956

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18711998

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25177074

    http://web.b.ebscohost.com/ehost/detail/detail?vid=7&sid=92e7cb63-19e7-4bef-bccc-b937207ece0a%40sessionmgr113&hid=107&bdata=JnNpdGU9ZWhvc3QtbGl2ZQ%3d%3d#db=mdc&AN=25138431

    http://web.b.ebscohost.com/ehost/detail/detail?vid=9&sid=92e7cb63-19e7-4bef-bccc-b937207ece0a%40sessionmgr113&hid=107&bdata=JnNpdGU9ZWhvc3QtbGl2ZQ%3d%3d#db=mdc&AN=25053974
    You should be able to get into the PubMed links, but you may have trouble getting into the Ebsco links because you may need a password. You should be able to request free temporary access.

  294. Lmfao, I’m kind of flattered that I’m writing scripts out of my head now, so thank you. But if you knew me at all, you’d know how ridiculous it would be to accuse me of shilling for big pharma. I despise corporations, and corporate greed, corporate welfare, fraud, and anything else unfairly favoring the very wealthy. So I would never support anybody for those reasons. As for who I am, why does it matter? You are free to read through my posting history elsewhere if you want a picture of who I am. Sharing my actual name with a bunch of zealous nutcases on line? no thank you!

  295. fucking nutjobs like you are the ones that deserve to have terrible reactions to vaccines.. not small children that have no choice but to take them.. fucking crazy bitch pharma troll, you have zero clue what you are even talking about.. you listen to no one unless it suits your status quo.. its no ones fault your body is completely fucked up and you probably have vaccine induced.. cancer you keep talking about getting chicken pox as an adult, and im actually glad to hear that. it makes me think that there is a god, and he punishes idiotic fear mongering trolls like you.

  296. i don’t expect much though from americans.. they contribute most to the downfall of humanity.

  297. Yup…. keep calling me names…. it just shows that you have no intelligent information to add to this conversation. It also shows that you have the maturity level of a 6 year old.

    You want me to listen to you and accept your position, yet you holler and scream with obscenities and name calling and throw tantrums. Why would I want to listen to that? I wouldn’t tolerate it from a child, so I won’t listen to it from you.

    The idiotic fear mongering comes from completely uneducated conspiracy theorizing paranoid nutjobs like you, who take people like Harold Buttram and Andrew Wakefield at face value, but refuse to acknowledge the hundreds of studies that disprove all of those theories. The “OMG don’t vaccinate because it will KILL you, cause cancer, cause more illnesses, cause other health problems” is the fear mongering trollism.

    You are the perfect example of the Dunning-Kruger effect,
    which is the phenomenon whereby “people fail to grasp their own incompetence, precisely because they are so incompetent“. In other words, people who know the least about a subject tend to think they know the most. Only after real education will you realize the limits of your own knowledge.

    It is absolutely amazing to me that you have convinced
    yourself that the more qualified a person is to talk about vaccination, the less he or she actually knows. Take a deep breath, and attempt this simple thought experiment. Can you envision a position that is more arrogant than one that is
    held by a person with no degree in any field of biological sciences and yet goes against 99.99% of the healthcare community? Do you truly believe that you know something that hundreds of thousands of scientists, physicians, nurses,
    and public health practitioners don’t?

    There is a great quote from Poland and Jacobson: “Ultimately, society must recognize that science is not a democracy in which the side with the most votes or the loudest voices gets to decide what is right“. For some reason, you expect me to respect your position just because you have a tantrum… I don’t have to, any more than you have to respect mine.

    The difference is, I can talk rationally about my position, and provide evidence to support it, and all you are capable of doing is name-calling and obscenities.

  298. I would rather risk my child having an adverse reaction to a vaccine than have them suffer a preventable disease. It is selfish for people to rely on herd immunity when thier child is perfectly healthy because they put children with weakened immune systems at risk. And all this talk about chicken pox. Anyone who has had the actual chicken pox is at risk of shingles. My mom had shingles when I was a child and I would not wish that pain on my worst enemy (ok, maybe my worst enemy). Our children do not have to be at risk of getting shingles because they can get a vaccine to prevent chicken pox.
    All the anti-vaccine people need to crack open a few history books and read up on pre-vaccine diseases.
    If and when they find a vaccine for ebola, will any of you anti-vaxers argue that they should not give them to the people suffering in Africa?

    Small pox was once a very deadly killer. You know how it was essentially irradiated? A vaccine.

  299. That definitely made me laugh. It would also possibly explain why stupidity seems to be so rampant. Now there’s a conspiracy theory I could believe! I’m actually about done toying with this moron and his ilk, but thanks for restoring some of my faith in our species. After participating in this thread, that was no small feat. Happy Festivus!

  300. And as we’ve desperately tried to explain to you, science doesn’t give a flying fck about your uninformed opinion. Thanks Annie, but this guy is hopeless. He should go back to his Fox News bubble where everyone agrees with his ignorant ideas.

  301. Jon, you still haven’t figured this out. We can only analyze this in populations, not individual cases. The problem is that if 99% of the population is vaccinated, the “entire” population will be less likely to get the disease, but if only 90% of the population gets vaccinated, the “entire” population will be more likely to get the disease.

  302. This is true with some vaccines. We have to be very careful with vaccines are helping our populations and which ones are lining someone’s pocket. But we cannot assume then, that they are all bad. HPV vaccinations are quite controversial right now as some think the side affects are more common than the cervical cancer it is suppose to prevent.

  303. Jon, before vaccinations, the world populations were controlled by widespread diseases. We don’t accept that nowadays.

  304. Just curious. Can you can present a controlled long-term study for those who choose not to vaccinated that demonstrates that fully unvaccinated children have better overall health outcomes than fully vaccinated?
    I do ask that you present findings that have been peer-reviewed, and not articles posted by websites with a bias (like vactruth, anything by Dr. Mercola, Jenny McCarthy, vran, the self-proclaimed US Institute of Medicine)
    My preferred searches come from PubMed and Ebsco, both of which have a very stringent analysis and review procedure before any study can be posted. (you will need a membership in Ebsco though – if you are a member of a university or medical institution you should have one).
    Just by searching “vaccination hospitalization” there were several studies on the first page showing vaccinated children had lower hospitalization rates. Would that count towards overall health outcomes? What is your criteria for that? Are there other criteria that you would want to include? It is difficult to know what variables you want in the findings as “overall health outcomes” is a very general concept. (I did provide links to a number of findings, in a reply to jon kimble, but if you wish, I can post them again).

  305. you fucking moron.. the world is still controlled by disease.. people are just more afraid of it now because of retards like you. lol do you even know how many diseases exist that vaccines don’t account for? how many virus strains are created every day? people like you shouldn’t be allowed to reproduce..

  306. before any kind of medical advancements the world was controlled by widespread disease.. vaccines aren’t a medical advancement though. its a capitalist business filled with fucking pathetic scum douche bags who contribute nothing to society.

  307. not pumping my body full of chemicals because someone elses immune system is fucking shit because of taking vaccines.. sorry. thats not how i work.. only the strong survive sir. not weak ass minds who think vaccines are the jesus christ of medicine

  308. you’re the one distributing drugs to people who aren’t even sick.. where are your cold hard facts?? all i see is cocksuckers at the fda and cdc who cover up statistics that are harmful to the industry.. they give credit to vaccines when in reality, it was other medical advancements and advanced sanitation methods that attributed to life expectancy and less spreading of disease.. vaccines have zero to do with anything.. stop giving people those fake facts off the government websites.. its really growing old.. no business is ever going to sell down their product on their own website.. your brain must be made of mush.

  309. lol what industry? its not one guy responsible every medical advancement.. antibiotics = remedy.. vaccines = disease in a needle.. and not even the real disease.. a weaker version of another strain.. at this point, im not sure if you are smart enough to figure out the difference. one you take when you aren’t at all sick (based off fear mongering pieces of shit like you who tell people they’ll die if they don’t do it).. and the other, you take when you are sick.. people tell me to take vaccines to protect people with weakened immune systems.. i wonder why their immune systems are weak..

  310. lol so im anti science because im against injecting different forms of diseases into healthy peoples body’s? and by the way.. this is a debate about vaccines. why would i talk about corruption in some other industry?.. and by the way, seeing as how the medical industry is directly responsible for influencing peoples biological chemistry, so i think its a fairly important department that should not be publicly traded on a stock market..

  311. hmmm.. well many independent scientists have uncovered the fraud, but since they don’t work for the cdc, they aren’t considered relevant.. and yes, you are nothing more than a useless shill.. if someone came and offered me a million dollars in this day and age to shut the fuck up, im going to take it.. not because im evil, but because i want whats best for my family and eliminate some financial burden… lol what ever happened to the people who discovered that burning gas was destructive to the atmosphere? no one really cares what a vaccine shill says, because the only thing they have to back up claims are the cdc website itself… they are worse than the oil industry. they are not going to demean its own product.. long term vaccine effects aren’t even possible to determine right now, not to mention long term hereditary effects which they may have on peoples immune systems.. i know how science works, and i also know how business works..

  312. lol americans are actually worse than isis and germans.. probably romans too. thats why you are fucking retards, because you don’t even know how many people you’ve killed. you just sit on your fat asses with kfc and watch cnn all day. its no wonder your country is heavily divided and racist… full of coporate scam artists that use your government like the dirty rag it is. and by the way, i said you “contribute” to the downfall of society, so you are right there on the list after isis i guess.. but you’ve probably killed more people.

  313. dude.. shouldn’t you be trolling global warming articles that you think are false? Halliburton needs people like you. you are the perfect troll. keep it up.

  314. fraudulent data? so why was mercury removed from vaccines if the data is so fraudulent? lol see.. this is where you stupid shills get all caught up in dumbass lies.. you say that there is no link between mercury and autism.. thats fine, but then why has mercury been taken out of vaccines since these studies if it posed no threat? doesn’t even matter if the fucking thing caused autism, they took it out for a reason dimwit, but obviously from a stupid pharma shills perspective no one else is allowed to point out flaws.. what a pathetic industry. you waste your life..

  315. lol no one i know has ever gotten the measles or mumps.. my parents never got them.. i hardly ever get sick.. nor does anyone else in my family.. never vaccinated.. whatever though.. i guess were all just rolling the dice and landing on 7 everytime..

  316. lol yeah im not even religious.. and leave it up to a fucking shill to claim im “anti science” for opposing injecting healthy people with manufactured viruses that do nothing.. especially when the united states is like 95% racist religious fat ass extremists with zero clue about anything that goes on anywhere.. force people to hail jesus and pledge allegiance to the flag every day at school.. have fun with that.

  317. You know, it’s not like I couldn’t tell you were an idiot from your first posts, but I tried to be patient. Clearly, you’re too stupid to even have a cogent argument. Your ignorance is astounding, but even worse, it’s boring. Just understand, before I finish this final post to you, you’re a moron and really don’t get how your cherry-picked talking points are so flawed and even dangerous. Do what you want, I personally don’t give a fck. But best you keep your nasty little viral-incubating children away from mine – that is, if anyone would be stupid enough to let you fck them. Now get back to work! I need a cherry Slurpee.

  318. LOL – you know how I have said again and again that you make assumptions, and you argue with me?
    This takes the cake… because I am Canadian, born and raised, and have never lived in the US…. and you, are just stupid…
    (oh yeah – I posted lots of non-CDC, non-government research links, which you have chosen to ignore)
    Thank you for once again proving you are just a troll…

  319. Annie,
    The CDC studies regarding vaccines and Autism have never been peer reviewed. They locked up the data and not only refuse to allow them to be peer reviewed but sold off the data to a private company so they cannot be accessed through freedom of information act requests.
    The Danish study that is so highly touted as definitive proof actually has a fatal flaw which can be found in very fine print at the bottom of the study. They counted kids diagnosed with autism “in hospital” when thimerisol was in their vaccines and after thimerisol was removed they counted all kids diagnosed with autism in the country. Since 80 to 90 percent are diagnosed in clinics and doctor’s offices the numbers appeared to skyrocket after thimerisol was removed. The CDC even tried to say that it appeared Mercury might have a protective effect. That is how desperate they are to cover up the connection. See how easily data is manipulated?

  320. How about the Verstraeten study? You know the one that found an alarming connection, the one they were emailing each other about that the connection was real, strong, and lineal and no matter what they did, they just couldn’t make it go away. But it didn’t stop them from trying. 5 generations all obviously meant to make the link disappear. Adding back in kids under 3 who would not have a diagnosis yet. Counting only initial diagnosis, so if a child was diagnosed with language delay at 2 but autism at 4, they could only count them as language delayed. Adding back in 17,000 kids originally excluded because they were born with a disability already. Adding in a tiny HMO in the eleventh hour, too small to make any correlations and it was fined for poor record keeping. But it didn’t stop the CDC from claiming the 5th HMO could not confirm the earlier findings. And in the end Verstraeten said the study neither confirmed nor denied a connection, further studies were needed, but that is not how the CDC then presented it, nor later to the IOM nor even now where they claim it is part of the proof of no connection. Despite the secret meeting at Simpsonwood in Norcross Georgia where they discussed how to
    “handle” this information and how they would lose in a court of law, we were able to get the information through FOI requests. There is special place in hell for these criminals that would knowingly damage children for their own gain.

  321. The U.S. is 29th in the world in infant mortality! Which means there are 3rd world countries better than us. And the highest death rates are at 2, 4, and 6 months, the exact same time when U.S. babies are given up to 9 vaccines in single doctor’s visit.
    You are dead on right Jon! And when people throw up conspiracy theory…well throw this back. 1) If you ask most lay people or even doctors if they know that the CDC discovered a monkey virus in the polio vaccine in the 1960s most have never heard of it. Conspiracy….nope just business as usual. They never recalled the tainted vaccines, they just quietly killed the 12 simian monkeys and brought in 12 African Green monkeys to take their place. The problem is the SV40 virus is now showing up in children and in millions of cancers, so either we are now passing genetically altered DNA to our children or they used the old virus as seed in the new monkeys and are still producing tainted vaccines. It doesn’t take a conspiracy to stay silent to millions who should know. 2) In the 1980’s another CDC scientist realized that Factor VIII, the clotting formula for hemophiliacs was tainted with the AIDS virus and he was silenced, no product was recalled and in fact they told doctors world-wide that it was safe and to continue using it. Over 17,000 in the U.S. were given AIDS and most in other countries got their product from the U.S. and then many family members also got AIDS. Conspiracy, or just business as usual to protect the pocket books of big pharma, who pays to keep the CDC up and running. And a U.S. judge has disallowed any lawsuits because “even though they knew the AIDS virus was there, no reliable test existed at the time, so they cannot be held responsible.” It probably would have put that company out of business to compensate all those people. Imagine what it would cost to compensate millions now with Autism!
    Check out the you tube videos #hearthiswell and tell me anyone can deny what happened to those children. Perfectly healthy children, got a boat load of vaccines in a single day, suffered a serious reaction, lost skills and functionality, and eventually were told they were diagnosing this new reality as Autism. Even the CDC is playing with words, “well vaccines can cause brain damage which can manifest itself with some Autistic like symptoms.” Funny that it isn’t just autistic like symptoms, but they are diagnosed with full-blown autism. Because that is how Autism is diagnosed…you present with enough autism like symptoms and voila, you have autism!
    All these people worried about the Mumps or Chicken Pox is laugable at best…. we have traded off once normal, mostly benign childhood illnesses for lifelong, lifeshortening, and definitelyl life alterning disorders that will seriously effect the life of the children and their families for the rest of their lives. 1 in 50 with Autism, 1 in 6 with neurodevelopmental disorders (tourettes, ADD/ADHD, bi-polar disorder in toddlers), skyrocketing rates of life-threatening food allergies, rheumatoid arthritis in very young, insulin dependent diabetes, asthma, and cancer in children at exploding rates. All connected with the immune system, and most diseases that once took a lifetime of bad habits to develop. If someone is going to Hail Vaccines, then by God they better be able to show me the better health outcomes of children today compared to when I was a child in the 1960s, when I never knew a single person with any of these diseases or disorders, not one. Now we are surrounded by it, and in our own families with no history of problems. We are destroying generations and they want more of the same? There are much worse things that the measles or mumps, or chicken pox!

  322. Again Jon, yes, part of the problem is once vaccines were invented it is like a tunnel vision followed and our immune systems were seen as simply something to chemically alter to the desired outcome, unforseen outcomes be damned. The old saying “if you only have a hammer, then all problems look like nails.”

    Because of this, they stopped any other inquiry. How about why in an office of 10 workers, someone comes in with the flu and only 6 of their coworkers catch it. Why does no one care why 4 did not catch it? What can we do to build up our immune systems that make us one of those people, that without vaccines, seem to never “catch” what is going around. Are these people who eat right, get plenty of sleep, have the proper nutrition to combat illness, exercise, etc.

    And for anyone to claim they understand the immune system is hogwash! No one understands the entire system, nor the long term or unintended consequences of an over zealous vaccine program who never met a vaccine they didn’t like and there are up to 250 new vaccines in the approval pipeline. And that have never been tested with the 30+ vaccines already being given for any synergistic effect. Our babies are guinea pigs! Are these people really going to line up their tiny babies for hundreds of vaccines thinking this is the only path to health? Because these bastards will deny a connection to vaccines even if your baby drops dead in the doctor’s office immediately following 7 vaccines. It’s all a coincidence! That’s why they now use SIDS so often, even if it’s in the middle of the day, even if the child was not sleeping, even if they are 15 months old and even if they just received 7 vaccines and even if the diagnosis was intended for “no other viable explanation” as if 7 or 9 vaccines in a single visit isn’t a viable explanation!

  323. ” If you disagree that vaccines do more harm then good”

    This isn’t something anyone who is rational will debate, it’s like arguing with a retard about if we landed on the moon or not.

  324. And yet you couldn’t “post a link to any study comparing overall health outcomes between fully vaccinated and fully vaccinated children”, hence any statement about whether they do more harm than good isn’t grounded in science.

  325. Yeah right ! That’s why Merk is getting sued by the government and others because they (Merk) falsified research documents showing the effectiveness of their MMR vaccine, in particular it’s Mumps vaccine.
    Why would anyone want to inject themselves with known neural toxins for a benign childhood disease knowing that it (vaccine) doesn’t even work ? FOOLS !!!!!!!!!

  326. For real ? The highest death rate for Mumps in the link you posted was for 53 deaths in 1961. That’s out of a population of a 183.7 million. That’s an incredibly low percentage. There are more killed by vaccines than that number. And that doesn’t take into account all the ASD related injuries and all the autoimmune disease’s !
    Go stick your head back in the sand !

  327. I suggest you do more more research on this subject since it’s obvious you are clueless! The reason Polio cases went down was that they reclassified the definition of Polio after the vaccine came out. Before that, all cases of infantile paralysis was automatically considered to be Polio. After the vaccine came out they only considered cases to be Polio if it was caused by the actual wild Polio virus. A lot of the infantile paralysis at the time was caused by the liberal use of DDT which caused the same symptoms.

    Also, the rates of Polio were already on a steep decline prior to the introduction of the vaccine due to better sanitation, hygiene and nutrition.

    May I suggest you start by watching Dr. Suzanne Humphries video on Polio;

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Twch-T-n8Ns

  328. The CDC and Big Pharma changed the definition of Polio because prior to the vaccine all infantile paralysis was lumped together as Polio. After the vaccine came out they only considered cases to be Polio if it was caused by the actual wild Polio virus. And thus, POOF, Polio was gone and big pharma claimed victory with their vaccines.

    Also, the rates of Polio were already on a steep decline prior to the introduction of the vaccine due to better sanitation, hygiene and nutrition.

    May I suggest you start by watching Dr. Suzanne Humphries video on Polio;

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?…

  329. Quote from Annie; “I am one of those children who suffers from hearing loss from chicken pox… the vaccination wasn’t available when I was a child. I would have taken my chances with the vaccination, had it been available.”

    So Annie, what makes you think that the vaccine would’ve spared you from getting the chicken pox ?
    There has never been a study done comparing the non vaxed to the vaxed. And that’s because big pharma is afraid that study would prove that their snake oil vaccines don’t work.

  330. Sorry Fsm, but all the research in support of vaccines is sponsored by the vaccine manufactures themselves. The fox is guarding the chicken coop and has also bought and sold our agencies in charge of protecting us, IE; CDC, FDA, NIH and HHS.

  331. Yes, vaccines are safe and effective…Brought to you by the people who approved Vioxx and said it was safe and effective !
    HA !

  332. That’s such a naive and misinformed opinion, I don’t even know where to start. Conspiracy theorists would be funny if they weren’t so dangerous.

  333. Please just die already, or at least stfu until you have even the slightest supportable clue of what you’re spewing online.

  334. Oh jeez, not this shlt again! Hey, all you anti-vax nut sacks, I highly recommend reading this blog. It contains all relevant citations, of course, but will hopefully explain away some of your wackiest conspiracies. God, it must be exhausting being you people.
    http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2013/09/11/a-zombie-meme-rises-from-the-grave-maurice-hilleman-the-polio-vaccine-sv40-and-cancer/
    Oh, and try to make it through the whole thing, even if it hurts your little heads.

  335. Big Pharma has deep pockets to discredit anyone and everyone. They will stop at nothing to intimidate, bully and destroy peoples reputations. You are nothing more than an idiot shill. I don’t have time for you either!

  336. lol wow i wrote this comment a month ago, and you are still replying to this.. why would i listen to some pathetic faceless douche bag who spends all his time patrolling vaccine articles looking for people who go against the cdc? this is why people don’t respect you, and don’t take anything you say seriously. must be a tough life being a dirty shill. how much do you get paid to do this?

  337. what links did you post that weren’t government links? just curious.. cuz all i see is cdc bullshit

  338. lol who’s fear mongering? the people who try to convince healthy people that they need to inject themselves with cdc kool aid or they’ll die and everyone else around them will die?.. or the healthy people who simply refuse to inject themselves products created for financial gain? sounds like you are the one who needs help, and really needs to brush up on his terminology..

  339. lol here’s the definition of the word vaccine incase all you retards missed it.. “a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide “IMMUNITY” (i guess not) against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease” so for all you idiot pro vax wankers who claim immunity is not the objective of a vaccine, and is just intended to slow the spread of disease, please change the official definition or just shut the fuck up about that bullshit..

  340. viral incubating babies? sounds like your true colors of being a typical low life piece shit are starting to surface.. hopefully your inbred children have some nasty vaccine reations.. where do you find the time to do all your research when you spend all hours on a a vaccine discussion board? typical douche bags.. a vaccinated person gets a disease.. lets blame the unvaccinated person.. a vaccinated person doesn’t get a disease, lets praise vaccines and call them jesus christ of laterday saints.. chances are still the same.. lol trying to take credit for other global advancements that prevent death and increase life expectancy..

  341. to call someone a conspiracy theorist is basically telling someone that no one lies, and greed has no power.. and judging by the united states government truth track record, and the fact that most congress members are stock market tycoons, id be more afraid of you as a human being than someone who questions a power that is obviously at the very least corrupt as shit..

  342. oh and to all these retards who label people conspiracy theorists for pointing out when people lie is probably more dangerous than the conspiracy theorist himself.. if these people really are kooks then no one will believe a word they say anyway, so what are you so afraid of? unfortunately for you assholes, believing things that george bush says doesn’t make you a real smart person.. it makes you look like a spoon fed moron who drank too much spiked punch

  343. Listen to me, you ignorant fcktwit, I’ve been in this industry for 30 years, and in that time, nobody has ever tried to pay me off or bribe me in exchange for my scientific integrity. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, but I am saying emphatically that it is not the norm. Nor would it be possible to ever perpetrate such a conspiracy. There are the great majority of scientists out there who would love to make their career from discrediting a corporation committing any type of scientific fraud. Now go back to your illuminati research. Suzanne fcking Humphries???? holy shlt!

  344. The beauty of a good conspiracy is that it can never be disproven. It’s like religious nut bags who tell you to prove to them god doesn’t exist. The problem is, there are too many ignorant and uninformed or uneducated people who believe what they here and do not think critically. That’s why these dbags are dangerous. These diseases are re emerging and they are going to kill people. Smfh

  345. First of all, ageofautism is a total pseudoscience bs site, but that aside, there is not a shred of evidence showing that Reiss has ever been paid to post. Your link showed nothing but conjecture, assumptions, and flimsy accusations. Show me a fcking cancelled check or a new car or something! You people are delusional, and seriously suffer from a very serious mental illness. Seek help, and please don’t procreate. Hey, I frankly don’t give a flying fck if you die of some preventable disease. The species will actually be better off for it. I just clicked on this article as a hockey fan. But I couldn’t ignore the mind-boggling degree of scientific ignorance displayed by the anti-vax posters on this board. The scientific method exists for a reason. If you think there is fraud being carried out, then get a degree, go in the lab, and prove it. Seriously, the way you all preach, it should be nothing to go pick up a quick PhD, do a few years of post-doctoral research, establish a lab with grant money donated for your brilliant ideas, and then show that none of the data being published by the big bad mean pharma companies is reproducible. Honestly, you’d be heroes for it. I hate big corporations, corporate greed, and corruption by rich people. If it’s true, I’d be clapping to see them taken down. Fact is, it could never happen in today’s environment. It would be uncovered by actual scientists, who show actual data. Not by armchair researchers who have no credentials or relevant education in the field. Jesus fcking Christ, where did all you morons come from???

  346. Also brought to you by those people who brought you Naxalone, Cyclosporine, Amiodarone, Digoxin, Fentanyl, and hundreds of other medications that save lives every day…
    Heaven help you if you ever end up with a femur fracture but refuse pain control because of “big pharma” or you end up with symptomatic tachycardia.
    Oh, but please – go ahead and use your all natural herbal remedies, like st johns wort, which can exacerbate cardiac issues; or sassafras tea, which has been removed from retail sale because it was found to be carcinogenic.

  347. I love how anti-vaxxers always start their posts with name-calling. Why is that?
    Why would I want to listen to someone who a) starts as a complete jerk and b) quotes references that are not peer-reviewed replicated published studies?
    You have to do better than a youtube video – I could make one in my garage too, but that doesn’t mean people have to believe it.

  348. Jon, I posted numerous links for you a month ago…. you must have been too busy eating crayons to read them…. look at the my reply post to your “vactruth” post.

  349. Fuck you asshole ! You’ve been poisoning people for 30 years, great. Karma will catch up to you and the rest of your cronies !
    You have no fucken clue at all ! You’re nothing but a loose dick head nut case !
    Go stick your head back up your ass as far as it will go !

  350. Show me a long term, double blind randomized control study showing the safety and efficacy of vaccines. You won’t find any cause there aren’t any.
    Cya !

  351. What preventable disease’s am I gonna die from ? Measles ? Chicken Pox ? For real ? The only people dying from these disease’s are from third world countries where poor sanitation, poor hygiene, malnutrition and contaminated drinking water. How many people from the US have died from measles, mumps and chickenpox combined ? Minuscule.
    600 plus Americans got the measles last year, zero died !
    600 people out of a population of 320 million…who’s fear mongering here ?

  352. no. what you gave me is pure horse shit.. try again. im surprised with all the time on your hands you couldn’t find anything more pathetic and useless lol. none of these links prove that vaccines even work.. this is YOUR assumption.. if you truly honestly think that every study or any negative thing found about vaccines comes from a nutcase or someone unqualified, you are completely out of your mind.. something is seriously wrong with your brain. you should probably sign yourself up for a lobotomy. typical retards.. blame the unvaccinated when a vaccinated person gets sick.. then lets praise vaccines when a vaccinated person doesn’t get sick.. i guess all the billions that don’t get vaccinated and live full healthy lives are just lucky i guess.. you sound like some rotten conservative nutjob

  353. but the definition of a vaccine says it provides immunity.. no percentage of immunity or anything.. just immunity. its shady to say the least.. so if you idiots want to argue any further, i think you should get the definition changed.

  354. are you fucking brain dead? one is medicine, and the other is given to fully healthy people to build usless antibodies for a virus that has already evolved and spreads among idiot vaccinated people who think they are invincible.. people are told they need it without any kind hard evidence to back them up.. just their own fabricated studies.. lol even the definition of vaccines says they provide immunity… just “immunity” ive never laughed so hard in my life.. vaccines are good for making douche bags money. about it.. hopefully the cdc and fda both go under water soon. you would make a wonderful spokesperson for Halliburton

  355. It was the overcrowding of industrialized cities that caused the increase in these disease’s. Which included but not limited to; poor sanitation, poor hygiene, poor drinking water and malnutrition. When these issues were resolved the rates of disease went down. In fact, they were already on a steep decline prior to the introduction of vaccines.
    Also, people would spray DDT on everything including themselves. DDT poisoning side effects include polio like symptoms.

  356. Apparently, you know very little about how science works. And yes, of course there are greedy and corrupt corporations, but an academic scientist is very unlikely to be bought off. Their driver is not money, or they would have picked a different field. Lots of the top execs of big pharma companies probably don’t even have advanced science degrees. But to be honest, I never really looked. It doesn’t interest me. I just worry about the peer-reviewed data. Editorial and review boards of major journals can not be bought off!

  357. This meta-analysis of five cohort studies involving 1,256,407 children, and five case-control studies involving 9920 children, found no relationship between vaccination and autism.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24814559

    I am quite certain you will come up with some reason why your studies are right, and the ones I have posted are wrong (I posted a list of studies in another post on this thread).

    But of course, I haven’t done my research, and I am clueless and brainwashed…. (remember my name-calling comment to you?)

    And, you negated your own studies with your comment “Also, peer reviewers can be bought to say anything you want. You’ve never heard of the power over influence money has..”

    So, why are YOUR peer-reviewed studies any different? You think the Wakefileds, Mercolas, Tenpennys, and others in your court aren’t swayed by money? Hmmmmm if they aren’t, why do all their websites open with a “buy this from me…. Buy my product… Donate to me…. “ link?

  358. LOL no, you are the brain dead one…. so big pharma is ok when it makes medicines (even though lets look at some of those medicines – Vioxx, DES, Thalidymide) caused significant health issues…. but big pharma is evil when it comes to vaccines…… you can’t have it both ways, dumbass. Pick one….

  359. Annie, take your head out of the sand please !

    This is an epidemiological study, not a randomized placebo control trial at all ! They are afraid of doing a real study cause it would show a direct link to ASD. The vaccine insert even shows that there is a link; http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/UCM101580.pdf
    Just scroll down to page 11 about a third of the way down the page, just after the bullet points and you’ll see this;
    “Adverse events reported during post-approval use of Tripedia vaccine include idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura, SIDS,
    anaphylactic reaction, cellulitis, autism, convulsion/grand mal convulsion, encephalopathy, hypotonia, neuropathy, somnolence
    and apnea.”

    A

  360. The report that you just posted also states in that same paragraph:
    “it is not always possible to reliably estimate their frequencies or to establish a causal relationship to components of Tripedia vaccine.”
    So, although these effects were reported, there is no EVIDENCE to support that the vaccine was in fact the cause.
    The cause and effect is not verified.

  361. lol when did i say all medicine is good? i only said that one you take when your sick, and one you take when your healthy.. there’s a difference.. especially when there’s no real proof that vaccines work.. or this entire argument would be dead.. and medicines don’t all come from the same place.. the center for disease and control doesn’t make medicine.. the fda is just responsible for clearing drugs for commercial use.. you seem very deluded and misinformed about the fact that the pharmaceutical industry is a private billion dollar drug cartel that is only allowed to do what it does because of monsters in congress who invest and profit off of peoples dependency.. obviously they won’t release drugs that kill people.. you can’t make money off dead people.. no one really gives a shit what you think, because you post “.gov” links that don’t even prove that vaccines work.. all they do is advertise a product.. so basically you are telling healthy people to get mercury injected in to their bodies just so old bitter women like you can pretend that your horrible immune system won’t have to work hard.. what a joke.

  362. lol yeah sure big pharma would never do anything like that.. they’d be discovered right away.. you know what though? that is just a big bag of horseshit.. you think global warming isn’t real? scientists all over the world have done studies on climate change and global warming, and have all come to the same conclusion, yet the nutjobs in congress just ignore everything, and some even try to argue the fact.. because they are invested in oil. its like all those nutjob idiots that believe that invading the middle east had nothing to do with oil.. the real conspiracy is how people can be that fucking dumb and lacking that much common sense.. they don’t give a rats ass about you, because they can do what they want.. sure at the very best vaccines do absolutely nothing, but unfortunately for you there have been many studies conducted that have found long term negative side-effects.. they just don’t have cdc and fda stamps all over them because it hurts the industry.

  363. lol been in the industry for 30 years? and now you have made it as an unsuccessful internet vaccine troll.. well done. you’ve made it in life. congratulations. your family must be very proud of you. it takes a lot of courage to do what you do.. sitting behind a keyboard trying to convince people that they won’t die if they get mercury injections.. what a pathetic low life piece of shit you are.. the reason people never came to bribe you, is because you are probably terrible at what you do, and no one gives a shit about you. im still trying to figure out how you spend so much time on the internet being such a busy guy researching vaccines.. it leads me to believe that you know dick all about anything, and swallow u.s government jizz on a daily basis after taking it up the ass by george bush and cheney using middle eastern oil.

  364. sure where is the peer reviewed studies that peoples immune systems actually work and aren’t a hoax? there’s tonnes of them, along with tonnes of historical empircal evidence.. maybe you should go look for them instead of being such a stupid lazy ass bitch asking everyone to post them then saying they’re wrong because there is no cdc or fda dick for you to suck on.. lol whats the point of even giving you links anyway? you’re already convinced in your sick little head that vaccines are the savior of humanity, so anyone saying anything negative is just wrong and a nutcase.. its funny how the cdc denied all studies linking levels of mercury in vaccines to autism, then removing thimerosal of their children vaccines.. its pretty self explanatory unless you’re some deranged psycho. they simply just don’t give a rats ass about you. i know its hard to swallow, but you should be used it getting all that bullshit stuffed down your throat.

  365. First, the name-calling is getting a little boring….. your weak
    attempts to belittle are only making you look childish and stupid.

    Second, you have yet to provide any so-called proof to defend your opinion. The only links you provided were easily picked apart by common sense, and you haven’t provided anything
    since. The links I provided, which you so conveniently choose not to look at (I provided a list, which were peer-reviewed publications, not from the CDC or FDA) but you try to ignore
    that. You did provide a link which was someone who thinks that shaken baby syndrome is caused by vaccines – I did enjoy the laugh from that one.

    Third, your argument about medications is completely false. I do find it interesting that you think your own government (congress) controls medications outside the US. That is pretty funny….. the US does not make or control the pharmaceutical industry for the whole world. Get a grip, ugly American.

    Fourth, the whole mercury thing is completely inaccurate. Fun fact: there are actually multiple types of mercury compounds.

    One (methylmercury) is the kind found in tuna and has been shown to have devastating effects on the brain after it accumulates in the human body. A second (ethylmercury) is found in a preservative known as thimerosal, which has
    been used to protect vaccines from getting contaminated. The latter is processed more quickly by the body and requires much larger doses to cause harm. The difference between methylmercury and ethylmercury is a lot like the difference between a shot of vodka and a shot of antifreeze — one can make you blind drunk, the other will make you blind. Chemistry matters.

    To the human body, “methyl” and “ethyl” are very, very different.
    Ethylmercury-containing thimerosal has a very long track record of safely and effectively preventing fungal or bacterial contamination of vaccines. The ingredient was removed preemptively from all routinely used childhood vaccines
    in 2001, but it needn’t have been.

    (See more at: http://www.healthmap.org/site/diseasedaily/article/just-vax-please-have-you-heard-these-%E2%80%9Ctoxic%E2%80%9D-vaccine-myths-8414#sthash.t4QOVa0A.dpuf)

    So, unless you can come up with other than name-calling and lies, go back to eating your crayons and wearing your tinfoil hat.

  366. lol no eating properly doesn’t build antibodies.. vitamins and nutrients do strengthen the immune system in respect to every virus.. and vaccine antibodies are useless because by the time the person gets injected the fucking virus has already mutated into something else deeming those phony weak ass antibodies useless.. and yeah because some guy died in a dirty hole in the wall with no money or food and no medical, vaccines are the savior of humanity.. you are brilliant. fucking quack..

  367. Chemicals commonly used in the production of vaccines include a suspending fluid (sterile water, saline, or fluids containing protein); preservatives and stabilizers (for example, albumin, phenols, and glycine… this is directly from the CDC website.. lol dang diddly ned, ya dang diddly fucked up again

  368. Vaccines; The leading cause coincidence in the world !
    So, where’s my long term placebo control trial ?
    Answer; there isn’t any !

  369. I do believe your question was answered elsewhere in these posts… I think it was Pasta that answered it for you, and you responded with some eloquent swear words.

  370. That is a common attack argument from anti-vaxxers…… if this is something that you want to see, why aren’t your own woo Docs doing these studies?
    Oh yeah, because more kids will die from the illness, than from the vaccine!!!! Let’s expose kids to measles, and let them get encephalitis, or go blind or deaf, and then explain to their parents “oh yeah, you just THOUGHT your kid was protected, but they got the placebo – sorry about that.”
    Be my guest…. go ahead and do that study….. if the results are what your anti-vax gods say it is going to be, they would have done it 10 times over already…. the Tenpenny’s, Wakefields, Mercolas, and Humphries would have been all over it if they knew that the results would be what they say it will be…. lord knows they ask for enough money on their websites…..

  371. lol believe what they hear? what like that brain damaging propaganda war machine you call media? its like saying the united states military aren’t rapists and murderers and invades countries to fight terrorism. what a joke. you must be like 80 years old.. a perfect little lap dog. just a byproduct of an inbred society full of hillbilly gun toting racists. you say that a good conspiracy can’t be proven, so prove that all these diseases are re emerging and are going to kill people.. they never even left.. people are just more cautious about spreading germs these days. people who inject their child with 10 vaccines as an infant deserves to have one fucked up child..

  372. and by the way.. its not just some conspiracy.. real people have real bad reactions to vaccines, and some even die.. and so far, there is really no proof that vaccines work.. there is no accurate data separating vaccines from the other 100 advancements that prevented death and attributed to stronger populations.. its not worth it for me to get vaccinated just because people like you have terrible immune systems. its not my fault you destroyed your immune system.

  373. lol coming from a fucking 80 year old douche bag who thinks conspiracies don’t exist because someone never came and offered him money to shut up. the reason this never happened is because you are useless, and never did anything worth paying something for. they probably just kept you in the back away from everyone and everything.

  374. “cdc.gov”… (face palm) stop sending people cdc reviewed advertisements you dumbass.. everytime you do that. id say it makes you lose credibility, but you never had any to begin with.

  375. actually you are the one that is telling people to inject chemicals into their healthy body, so until you come up with a study that separates vaccines from every other 1000 medical advancements, then maybe you’ll.. until you stop foolishly linking infant mortality rates and higher life expectancy to vaccines without any evidence, your argument is just a pile of shit.. you are the ones that need to prove it works and stop covering up all the other shit.. before i go injecting my baby with 20 vaccines, i need some separate controlled peer reviewed study of exactly the impact that vaccines have had in the last 60 years., you aren’t allowed to include sanitation improvements, clean drinking water and better food.. the war being over, an increase in the amount of doctors, peoples ability to diagnose an illness.. antibiotics.. the economy recovering from the great depression.. and the fact that the entire worlds infant mortality rate increased shortly after ww2.. not because of vaccines..

  376. He started the name calling, not me.
    Annie, get your facts straight and quit fear mongering. In 2014 there were 610 confirmed cases of measles, Zero deaths and zero cases of encephalitis. In 2013 there were 189 cases with no complications or deaths. In 2012 there were 54 cases, zero deaths, zero encephalitis. In 2011 there were 22 cases with zero and zero.

    But as of March 2012 there 842 serious injuries following the MMR vaccine and 56 deaths. Since 1990 there were 6058 serious adverse events reported to the VAERS ( vaccine adverse events reporting system).
    Who is fear mongering here ?

  377. Also, since 1990 to 2011 there were 15,389 reported cases of measles in Canada with zero deaths !
    This year so far in the US there are around 60 cases of the measles out of a population of 320 million people. That’s an extremely low percentage. While at the same time we had 40,000 people die from ARS (antibiotic resistant surveillance system) last year. Let’s get our priorities straight here. Measles, mumps, rubella and the chicken pox are benign childhood diseases that was a right of passage when I was growing up and although an inconvenience was nothing to be worried about. They only became life threatening diseases after the vaccines came out and big pharma needed to make more money !

  378. It drives me crazy when the anti-vaxxers use the “benign right of childhood” and “inconvenience” bullshit. I had chicken pox, not once, but twice. I have significant hearing loss from chicken pox. That is more than an inconvenience.
    You can blame it on GMO foods, my poor immune system, that my parents were poor immigrants, or whatever bullshit excuse you can come up with, but the fact is, these diseases are more than an inconvenience. Oh wait, my personal experience doesn’t count, because it isn’t vaccine related…. I did not have the vaccine, but I am positive you will find some way to make it “inconvenient.”
    YOUR fear mongering about vaccine injury, and the crap about big pharma is pathetic.
    Why are anti-vaxxers so against big pharma, yet those same people are perfectly fine with other medications also made by big pharma? When the day comes that you are in a motor vehicle collision, are you going to refuse the morphine, fentanyl, or versed because they are made by big pharma? Are you going to refuse the anesthetic during surgery to fix your multiple injuries because they are made by big pharma?
    You can’t have it both ways….. and don’t give me the “one is a medicine and one is poison” bullshit. Big pharma has made their share of mistakes (Thalidymide, DES, Vioxx) but so has the homeopathic natural crowd – just look at the negative effects of St John’s Wort on cardiac patients, or sassafras tea being removed from the market because it is carcinogenic.
    And, don’t use the sanitation and water quality theory either. If that was the case, we would be seeing outbreaks in poverty stricken areas of North America, some Indian reservations and in the homeless population. Have you treated patients in homeless shelters? I have – I work in the medical field – and there are few things LESS sanitary than those environments. Do your research – there are reservations in the US and Canada that do not have running water and where conditions are the equivalent to third world countries. If your theories are true, why aren’t those populations seeing disease?
    Oh, and back to big pharma – you never did answer my question from an earlier post, where you stated that money buys results….. and I asked why your results are any different…. look at the Mercola and Tenpenny sites where they are asking for money…. please don’t tell me you are so naïve that you think that they are so holy that they can’t be bought….

  379. But that is what you provaxers use as an excuse all the time. You claim that a few people will get a bad reaction from a vaccine but it’s all for the greater good. You’re a freakin’ hypocrite !!!!!
    The thing is your chances of getting a bad reaction from a vaccine are far greater than getting a bad reaction from measles. MUCH GREATER ! Not to mention auto-immune disease’s, ASD, cancer, MS, SIDS, encephalopathy, ADHD and Alzheimer’s.
    I am not fine with any other big pharma crap. You don’t need drugs as long as you stay away from vaccines, have clean water, sanitation, good hygiene and proper nutrition. Add a few simple supplements and you’ll be fine. No need to inject yourself with know neural toxins. You’re a hypocrite to the highest order.
    If vaccines were safe and effective we wouldn’t be having this stupid conversation !
    You want to take vaccines fine, but don’t push it on the rest of us because you and big pharma think that we are the problem ! We are not !

  380. You have no clue what it means to have bad sanitation. At the turn of the century there were open sewers and the new big cities were overcrowded. Hygiene was non existent. Dr.s would go from one patient to another without even washing their hands. How ironic that now they tell us to wash our hands to avoid the flu ?
    Really, for real ? you are comparing the money from Mercola and Sherri Tenpenny to big pharma ? You’re a bigger idiot than I thought ! They are the most profitable business there is ! We are talking trillions of dollars, not millions. Just watch a little TV and you will one ad after another for drugs. You’re crazy !

  381. Ahhh – see what I said about the name-calling?
    When all else fails, try name-calling.
    Have you worked in these locations? I have… and it isn’t just about doctors not washing their hands – it is everyone there! I cannot stop the spread of disease by myself – I need everyone in that homeless shelter, in that rehab facility, in that evac center to wash their hands, not just me… Duhhhhhhh you can’t blame it ALL on the medical staff. I need them to quit urinating on themselves, on the walls, on each other, but I can’t. I have worked in those locations, but feel free to continue to be in denial… I can’t stop that.
    And, your whole don’t need drugs nonsense. HAHAHAHAHA
    If your whole naturopathic homeopathic bullshit actually worked, we wouldn’t have a need for medications!
    I noticed you completely ignored my comments about St Johns Wort and sassafras…. but that is ok…. wouldn’t want to admit that there are any fallacies in your argument….
    So, are you anti-vaxxers going to pick up the tab for all the medical costs associated with the measles outbreak at Disneyland? Stand behind your words – step up! If measles is no big deal, YOU take care of it! YOU take care of those who have fallen ill!
    Me vaccinating affects me, and only me…. but YOU NOT vaccinating, affects everyone! How can you be so blind to that!
    I am trying very hard not to stoop to your level of name calling… but it is getting difficult, as your completely irrational argument is causing liquefying brain necrosis.

  382. You’re damn right. This is a government (pharma) promotional study. They are bought and sold by big pharma. I don’t trust anything they say. Big pharma sponsored this study, funded by pharma. You’re in lock-step with the propaganda. In fact, you’re probably a paid pharma shill.
    You should go get your boosters, you need more mercury and aluminum in your brain. This is all you got ? I got at least 22 of these studies showing the opposite.
    Try again shill !

  383. *sigh*
    Please, google the difference between ethyl mercury and methyl mercury…. and how much aluminum salts is in breast milk…
    and, if you would actually do YOUR research, pediatric vaccines in Canada do not contain Thimerosal, which blows your mercury theory.
    Oh I love when anti-vaxxers use the “you must be a big pharma shill” comment (I wish I worked for big pharma – I could use the money!)….. is that part of the koolaid you drink? What is with that? Speaking of “lock-step.”
    Since I started following this thread, I see a common theme amongst anti-vaxxers….
    1. Big pharma is evil, and if you don’t agree, you MUST work for big pharma, and I must call you a shill
    2. Vaccines are evil, and it doesn’t matter if you can show me hundreds of studies, I won’t believe them, because I am paranoid that the government is out to get me and my anti-vax gurus just can’t seem to get a study to work that actually shows what they want)
    3. Even though Wakefield has been proven to be a fraud, I still believe that vaccines cause autism, well, just because….
    4. For some reason, I believe that Big Pharma controls the entire world, and all countries in it
    5. When all else fails, call names
    6. When that doesn’t work, use Nazi references
    The study you gave me last time even stated there was no evidence to support your claim…. why would I waste time on more of your drivel?

  384. That’s just their way to cover their asses.
    They’re in it for the money, not your health, nothing else.
    When I was growing up I had maybe a couple of vaccines before I was six, now they get up 53 before the age of six. They never ever did any long term studies on any of these increases and it goes hand in hand with the rise in ASD, pediatric cancer and whole slew of autoimmune disease’s.
    How many did you have as a child ?

  385. it costs a whole hell of a lot of money to do these tests. It’’s big pharma who is making money off these poisons and they should be responsible to pay for them.
    Please show me where (other than third world countries) are all these encephalopathy cases ? Oh, that’s right, they are coming from the kids who received vaccines.

  386. SIGH !
    Injecting and eating are to very different things. Your body has natural mechanisms like chelation to eliminate these toxins before they enter the bloodstream. Injecting these toxins bypasses all these natural elimination processes. BIG DIFFERENCE !
    1, same reasoning that providers call anyone who is anti-vax a luny
    2,Yes, and it doesn’t matter how many studies I give you showing the opposite, cause you won’t believe them. The Gubment agencies lost their credibility because they are puppets of big pharma. The revolving door of people going from gubment jobs to pharma jobs (and vice versa) continues.
    3, Wakefield was never proven to be a fraud. He was wrongly maligned and discredited for nothing. Big pharma money goes a long way.
    4, It does. Who (main stream media) wants to alienate your biggest cash cow ? Nobody wants to lose money, and the gubment reinforces this.
    5, Ditto, provaxers do it all the time. What’s your point ?
    6, You’re a complete waste of time too. Go get your booster shots !

  387. Yes and then you have to consider the CDC’s definition of “unvaccinated”… It changes as the number of boosters change… They have very peculiar ways of presenting their numbers, too, and work truly very hard on doing things that fully deserve our skepticism. In the1990-1991 measles outbreak report, for instance, they managed to transform 62.7% vaccinated into only 18.4%. How? On the pretense that the vaccine had been found to be particularly useless before one year old, every vaccinated case that had received the vaccine the day before the first birthday and earlier (could be only by a few days) was put in the unvaccinated category, these represented 44.3%. Tadaaa!… the vaccine now appears to be effective… The trusting citizen will believe the headlines and won’t bother to look at the details, after all they are the experts… Soon, all those who have had only 3 doses of the MMR will be considered unvaccinated in their future studies when a fourth dose gets added… 31.4% could not be vaccinated for medical reasons. There were, in fact, only 5.7 % of truly unvaccinated, by choice, in that sample. They also leave us to wonder why they chose to withhold the vaccination status of the 89 deaths… See for yourself: http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00001999.htm

  388. Long track record ? The only study on the effects of thimerosal on the human body were done in 1929 and it was not done very well at all. Nor was it done long term. Plus, the human body chelates most of the mercury we eat and eliminates it before it can reach the bloodstream. Injecting it bypasses all these natural chelation abilities. Thimerosal is 50% elemental (methyl) mercury so your answer makes no sense whatsoever !
    HA !

  389. Sorry but that figure of 2 in 1000 is from third world countries, not USA. Do your homework first then talk…

  390. Lol, pretty desperate response, skippy. You make as many dangerous assumptions about me and my credentials as you do about your paranoid pseudoscience. Not at all surprising. Hey, how’s that whole Disney measles thing working out?

  391. First, if you weren’t a completely ignorant dbag, you’d be able to make better assumptions about me being part of any group that includes hillbillies or gun-toting racists. But, being uneducated and pathetically gullible, I will leave you with your impression. Good luck with the whole moon landing conspiracy. Oh, and while you’re at it, why onto take a visit to Disney and see how that anti-vax thing is working out for them. Blithering idi0t.

  392. So angry, Bert. Hey, let me write you a script for something that might help you out before you die of a hypertension-induced stroke. Oh wait, big pharma again. Nevermind. Best you just take two aspirin and, oops, not that either. You better just go chew on some tree bark and wait to die. The species can only evolve as the weak and stupid die off.

  393. Oh wow! It’s just amazing that these people can actually dress themselves in the morning. This page, especially the debunked video feature about the govt wanting to give us an aerosoled virus to cure us of religious thinking is hilarious! Those darn chemtrails again! Oh well, back to shilling for big pharma! Thanks for the laugh 🙂

  394. I don’t think quoting stats that are more than 20 years old
    count as “trending.”

    You didn’t read your own article well enough with regard to
    the vaccination status of the fatalities.
    You stated “they chose to withhold the vaccination status of the 89 deaths.”

    Actually, they didn’t:
    “Vaccination status was known for 27,632 (99.9%) patients.” And “Eighty-one (91.0%) suspected measles-associated deaths occurred among unvaccinated persons.”

    And, I do like one more quote from your article: “Prevention
    of measles outbreaks among preschool-aged children will require intensive efforts to increase age-appropriate vaccination levels among inner-city preschool-aged children.”

    Let’s look at stats from the same period, since you seem to
    like 1990 – 1991.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1766702

    Household secondary attack rates for 203 California children
    ages 1 to 5 years were 4.2 and 77.8% for vaccinated and unvaccinated children, respectively, and the vaccine efficacy was 95% (95% confidence interval: 89%, 97%)

    And, since you like really old data:

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12415036

    “RESULTS:
    Of the 535 544 children who were vaccinated, 199 were
    hospitalized for encephalitis, 161 for aseptic meningitis, and 352 for autistic disorders. In 9 children with encephalitis and 10 with meningitis, the disease developed within 3 months of vaccination, revealing no increased occurrence within this designated risk period. We detected no clustering of
    hospitalizations for autism after vaccination. None of the autistic children made hospital visits for inflammatory bowel diseases.

    CONCLUSIONS:

    We did not identify any association between MMR vaccination
    and encephalitis, aseptic meningitis, or autism.”

    So, the incidence of vaccinated children being hospitalized
    for any of these illnesses was NO higher than for children who were not…

    Now, let’s talk about mercury.
    Your hokey science is WRONG.
    Where on earth did you come up with “The only study on the effects of thimerosal on the human body were done in 1929 and it was not done very well at all.”

    Your Google must not work very well…. Please google “thimerosal safety studies” as I will not list them all here.

    Thimerosal is ETHYL mercury, not METHYL mercury. The body metabolizes it to ETHYL, not METHYL, regardless of whether it is ingested or injected. It is ORGANIC, not ELEMENTAL (elemental is the silvery mercury in old thermometers; organic is combined with carbon. Although the most common organic mercury is methyl, thimerosal is not methyl. Do your homework… )

    Also, it has a half life of less than a week (again, google “thimerosal half life”), which, even when someone has a number of vaccinations over several months, means there is NO WAY toxic levels can be reached.

    So, let me say it again.
    YOUR HOKEY SCIENCE IS WRONG.

    Now, let’s talk about aluminum.

    In the first 6 months of life, infants are exposed to approximately 4mg of aluminum in vaccines.
    In this same time period, they are exposed to approximately 10mg of aluminum in breast milk, 40mg in infant formula, and 120mg in soy formula. And, the half life of aluminum from any
    source (ingested or injected) is less than 24 hours, so it cannot possibly build up to toxic levels.
    So, let me say it again. YOUR HOKEY SCIENCE IS WRONG.

    And, you will try to bring formaldehyde into this, so I will
    beat you to it.

    In trace amounts, formaldehyde is not dangerous. Also, it
    doesn’t last long in aqueous solution, such as vaccines. It breaks down to formic acid and carbon monoxide. Moreover, exposure to far more formaldehyde than any vaccine contains happens every day in modern life. It’s in auto exhaust, and various substances found in virtually every household.

    Latex paint, and fingernail polish release a large amount of
    formaldehyde to the air. Plywood and particle board, fiberglass products, new carpets, decorative laminates, and some permanent press fabrics give off a moderate amount of formaldehyde. Some paper products, such as grocery bags and
    paper towels, give off small amounts of formaldehyde. Because these products contain formaldehyde, you may also be exposed on the skin by touching or coming in direct contact with them. You may also be exposed to small amounts of formaldehyde in the food you eat. All of these have a higher level of formaldehyde than vaccines.

    What you, and the rest of the anti-vax blind sheep fail to
    recognise, is that time-honored pharmacological principle that “the dose makes the poison” and extrapolate horrible consequences known to occur during prolonged exposure or exposure to large amounts to the tiny amounts in vaccines. You are comparing apples and oranges.
    So, let me say it again. YOUR HOKEY SCIENCE IS WRONG.

    You, once again, are misreading information, and are using
    your own paranoia (not fact) to base your opinions on.

    You should return to Grade 10 Chemistry and Biology, because
    your understanding of metabolic processes, organic and inorganic chemistry, and the most rudimentary pharmacology is lacking.

    Notice – I did not call you “luny” or any other name. You cannot say the same.

    However, I will not waste any more time with you, as you
    have proven that you are unwilling and unable to follow basic chemical, biological, and pharmaceutical principals, and no amount of facts will change your erroneous opinion. So, feel free to continue to call me, and others names… but, I suggest you spend a little more time visiting with university professors who specialise in chemistry, so they can explain basic concepts to you.

  395. Yes, I’m angry at your stupidity. You actually think I need drugs for hypertension ? I don’t suffer from hypertension. And if I did I wouldn’t take a drug to ease my symptoms, I would resolve the underlying issue that was causing it, like excessive weight, etc. Symptomatic medicine is like turning off the fire alarm while ignoring the fire.

    You actually think a bunch of paid white coats with less than a hundred years of experience are smarter than nature (natural selection) that has over a million years of experience ? HA !

    Our immune system is much more complicated than just inducing an antigen. Our immunity is a delicate balance that has evolved over millions of years between us and diseases. We have developed symbiotic relationships with these viruses and bacteria that we have yet to fully understand. When we or any other animal overcrowds, lies in unsanitary conditions, comes under stress, gets exposed to toxins and or is malnourished we become susceptible to disease carrying organisms. But when you clean up the unsanitary conditions, reduce chronic stress, reduce chronic exposure to toxins and provide adequate nutrition, these pathogenic organisms become benign. In fact, they may and have been shown to help our immune function. That’s why they started to ban antibacterial soaps in some locales. Oh but wait, big pharma can’t make money selling you that stuff. Never mind, go get your booster shots, you’re due !
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-cl=84637285&x-yt-ts=1422040409&v=4kwgkI1RkF0#t=44

  396. Our immune system is much more complicated than just inducing an antigen. Our immunity is a delicate balance that has evolved over millions of years between us and diseases. We have developed symbiotic relationships with these viruses and bacteria that we have yet to fully understand. When we or any other animal overcrowds, lives in unsanitary conditions, comes under stress, gets exposed to toxins and or is malnourished we become susceptible to disease carrying organisms. But when you clean up the unsanitary conditions, reduce chronic stress, reduce chronic exposure to toxins and provide adequate nutrition, these pathogenic organisms become benign. In fact, they may and have been shown to help our immune function. That’s why they started to ban antibacterial soaps in some locales. Oh but wait, big pharma can’t make money selling you that stuff. Never mind, go get your booster shots, you’re due !

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-cl=84637285&x-yt-ts=1422040409&v=4kwgkI1RkF0#t=44

  397. Annie, here’s a congressman asking the head of the FDA about thimerosal, he tries to avoid the question but admits that the ONLY STUDIES DONE ON THIMEROSAL HASN’T BEEN STUDIED SINCE 1929 ! And was only done on 27 people who were already dying of meningitis.
    Annie, please show me the studies done on thimerosal.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBRwOohhHuA

  398. Seriously…. You can’t really be that blind….. you never even
    tried.

    I typed “thimerosal safety studies” in Google, and these
    were the first three on the list

    2003 study:
    http://putchildrenfirst.org/media/5.5.pdf

    2007 study:
    http://www.county.milwaukee.gov/ImageLibrary/Groups/healthAuthors/DCP/PDFs/grsThimVacc/THOMPSONNEJM073571281.pdf

    2005 study:
    http://www.corvelva.org/pubblicazioni/ADD/Pediatrics.%202001%20107(5)%201147-54.pdf

    Now, I am tired of you, your laziness, and your ignorance.

    Again and again, I have been able to easily pick apart the
    links you have provided (it is especially funny that the links you provide actually say that we SHOULD be vaccinating!).

    Since you are completely unable to comprehend facts, and apparently can’t even master a simple Google search, I give
    up. You are hopeless. You are an idiot, and a danger to the general population. I cannot waste any more time
    on you, since facts and evidence are completely irrelevant in your paranoid world. I wish there was a vaccine to protect me from stupidity, so I wouldn’t have to deal with you.

  399. Annie, come on now ! The first study you provided was from the American Academy of Pediatrics. I’ve already shown you the link where you see the sponsors for them which includes Merk.
    This nullifies whatever they say due to conflict of interest.
    I have to go to work now but I’ll be back to take a closer look at the study and the others you’ve posted here. So far they are worthless bull shit !

  400. I’m tired of your crap too. here is the list of researcher’s on your second article and their affiliates. Notice the name Merk and other big pharma names ? Or are you just that dumb !
    Dr. Thompson reports being a former employee of Merck; Dr. Marcy, receiving consulting fees from Merck, Sanofi Pasteur,
    GlaxoSmithKline, and MedImmune; Dr. Jackson, receiving grant
    support from Wyeth, Sanofi Pasteur, GlaxoSmithKline, and
    Novartis, lecture fees from Sanofi Pasteur, and consulting fees
    from Wyeth and Abbott and serving as a consultant to the FDA
    Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee;
    Dr. Lieu, serving as a consultant to the CDC Advisory Committee
    on Immunization Practices; Dr. Black, receiving consulting fees
    from MedImmune, GlaxoSmithKline, Novartis, and Merck and
    grant support from MedImmune, GlaxoSmithKline, Aventis,
    Merck, and Novartis; and Dr. Davis receiving consulting fees
    from Merck and grant support from Merck and GlaxoSmith-
    Kline. No other potential conflict of interest relevant to this ar-
    ticle was reported.
    The findings and conclusions in this study are those of the
    authors and do not necessarily represent the views of the CDC.
    We thank Xian-Jie Yu of Harvard Medical School, Anita Feins
    and James Cooley of Harvard Vanguard Medical Associates;
    Zendi Solano, Jeff-Oliver DelaCruz, and Jerri McIlhagga of the
    UCLA Center for Vaccine Research; Patricia Ross and Patti Hal-
    lam of Northern California Kaiser; clinic managers Jean Caiani,
    Ramon Campana, Katherine Eng, Elle Garcia, Julie Gronouski,
    Joanne Melton, Victoria Mendez, Judith Meyer, Valerie S. Miran,
    Elizabeth Munoz, Diane G. Preciado, and P. Ana Silfer; child
    evaluators Aimee L. Adray, Kathy Angell, Candace Wollard
    Bivona, Karrie Campbell, Maureen O’Kane Grissom, Debbie Groff,
    Anne E. Hay, Kerri Johnson, Darcey A. Reeves, Angela J. Stewart,
    Mery Macaluso, Tracie Takeshita, Jolie C. von Suhr, Jennifer A.
    Wittert, Kevin Wittenberg, and Christine Zalecki; consulting
    psychologists Christine H. Duong-Perez, Maury Eldridge, Susan
    Yuh Harrison, Kelly A. Johnson, Robert Kretz, Stephanie Marcy,
    Denise Noonan, Mina D. Nguyen, Susan Toth Patiejunas, David
    Scott, T. Kristian von Almen, and Michael White; Jane Bern-
    stein, Michael Shannon, Michael Kirkwood, Robin Rumsey, Ste-

  401. No you’re an idiot ! Ha!
    Go stick your head back in the sand.
    Although, you’re probably at work…at Merk !
    HA !

  402. The largest measles epidemic in North America in the last decade, occurred in 2011 in Quebec, Canada, where rates of 1- and 2-dose (MMR) vaccine coverage among children 3 years of age were 95%-97%, with 3%-5% unvaccinated.’
    At the rate things are going they will have us getting a booster shot every year ! HA !

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23264672

  403. No, this is a good reason to make the case that everyone should be vaccinated as some people don’t respond to vaccine. couple that with people who refuse the vaccine, and you have “forest fire” conditions.

  404. No, you are wrong. If enough people get vaccinated it is like separating the gasoline so it only burns down one house and doesn’t spread to other houses. Once the fire is out, it is out.

  405. fucking retard.. first of all.. disney is dirty company that employs foreign children for 10 cents a day.. i have zero sympathy.. and blaming people that don’t vaccinate is just looking for hopeless excuses as to why vaccines don’t work.. you say a good conspiracy can’t be proven when you’re running your stupid mouth off about shit you can’t even prove.. you really got nothing.. you can’t compare vaccines to other medical advancements because they actually change something.. people get sick, then they aren’t sick lol.. pretty straight forward.. is there anyone in the u.s that isn’t an old ass hypocritical douche bag that compares moon landings to the corporate greed that runs that failure country..

  406. you are probably one of those assholes who stuffs ridlen down a child’s throat when they can’t focus in those dirty schools. its ok though.. you can ignore the facts that autism was never documented as autism until alot more similar cases were reported in the u.s. you also have high levels of add and adhd compared to other countries.. people are just really fucked in the head the u.s, but i know vaccines are only a tiny piece of that problem..

  407. you’re such a pathetic weasel.. you know who creates and incubates deadly viruses? companies like the cdc… only american morons would pretend like thats safe and normal because you live in a twisted society..

  408. no.. you can’t prove that non vaccinated people catch diseases first.. sorry, you are going to have to come up with something better than that.. the united states is the downfall of humanity. obviously the first person in human history to contract one of those diseases wasn’t vaccinated but, there is nothing to prove that he wouldn’t have gotten it anyway had he/she been vaccinated.. and they would have been able to spread it too… such a joke you people have nothing to base any of this on.. you inject healthy people with mercury, and can’t prove it works.. vaccines aren’t immunity, there is no % of effectiveness.. the h1n1 shot is a joke.. there is no study separating vaccines from the 100 other medical advancements where you can actually see drastic changes in someones health..

  409. lol sure a company that creates and harbors deadly crippling diseases that were gone before vaccines.. sure sounds safe to me.. who’s to say all those dirty cdc assholes don’t catch these diseases and spread them to healthy unvaccinated people?

  410. richard, you aren’t allowed to post legitimate peer reviewed studies indicating the dangers of vaccines.. haven’t you learned anything from all these brain dead vaccine zombies?

  411. lol almost the same immunity.. can you retards come up with any kind of numbers or studies that separate vaccines from everything else, or are you just gonna keep pretending like assumptions count as evidence??

  412. dangerous responses? i can only assume that trolling vaccine sites is your way making up for the fact that you suck at what you do, and most likely have zero credentials in what you babble about.. once again, you are the ones injecting healthy people with zero proof of effectiveness.. all you retards do is show studies that lump everything into one category. i wouldn’t even be surprised if the cdc took those synthetic crippling diseases and released them to the public to spark fear.. most viruses are man made anyway, so who’s to say that criminal organization who’s dick you suck regularly keeps a tight enough lid on these viruses..

  413. yeah i guess its tough when you know you’re wrong and have nothing else to say.. im just trying to get a simple fucking response from one of you quacks as to why thimerosal was removed from children vaccines if the cdc is so adamant about it being safe? its not even a question about autism anymore.. its just a straight fact that they had something in their vaccine that fucked children up, so they removed it quietly and tried to cover their asses. its not my fault your head is stuck so far up your ass that you can’t see whats crystal clear..

  414. enough with your fucking chicken pox.. no one gives rats ass that you have no hearing in one ear.. its not unnvaccinated peoples fault.. chicken pox is a very visible disease when its contagious, so maybe you shouldn’t go sucking a guys dick who has chicken pox.. just a thought.. why do you compare drugs like morphine and fentanyl when they obviously have clear short term effects on the brain? this is where you morons just get lost.. vaccines you inject a synthetic virus because of the off chance you might catch one of these diseases that you would catch and spread anyway..

  415. lol disney land is a dirty child exploiting company who deserves to burn in hell.. people got measles at disney land because its a fucking dirty shit hole that doesn’t get cleaned, and is run by nazis. they are quick to blame other people when its their own fault. thats all vaccine idiots can say.. someone in the world gets sick and its all unnvaccinated peoples fault.. vaccines don’t provide immunity, and people can still spread the disease.. you can’t even provide a simple number when it comes to effectiveness.. its all assumptions and the evidence you try to use is pure bullshit as vaccines could never be tested separately. i spilled my milk the other day, and had to blame obama because he’s black.

  416. only idiots deal in absolute like that.. just because vaccines are bad doesn’t mean every other substance created by man is bad.. there are two kinds of people, people with a conscience, and people who step on and take advantage others in weaker situations to keep the money flowing. in the end, these people won’t win.

  417. i can give you plenty of links that show a large increase in autism after certain vaccine movements.. not even just autism, but other neurological problems.. the evidence is there.. and its whole lot more convincing than your dumb ass studies that conveniently bundle vaccines in with tonnes of other medical advancements from the baby boom era that actually show clear working results.

  418. Good luck dealing with jon…. I gave up on him a while ago, as I refuse to wade through the pages of profanities and paranoia.. I suspect he eats crayons.

  419. I see Bert is cutting and pasting his comments to respond to both of us.
    I am always amazed at the “big pharma and CDC” conspiracies. Why do people like Bert think that the CDC, FDA, congress, and big pharma control international research? That is some amazing control… considering most politicians can’t find their own ass with both hands…
    And, as I said to Bert “I need to develop a vaccine to protect me from your stupidity.” Pasta, you and I need to work on this, because, since we have already been accused of being big pharma shills, maybe we could actually make money!

  420. You’re beyond help. Your ignorance of basic immunology and epidemiology is astounding. Please don’t breed. And if someone is unfortunate enough to drop litter as a result of your seed, please keep your nasty disgusting viral incubators away from my kids, and away from the rest of responsible society.

  421. you are straight up a fucking douche bag.. a true american cancer. i feel sorry for your inbred children.. having a dirty father who spends all his time fear mongering on vaccine sites with zero proof or evidence.. all you do is come off as a waste of a fucking life.. claims everyone knows nothing about immunology when you provide nothing coherent.. no coherent stats or studies that show anything positive about vaccines.. just cdc and fda nonsense.. i called you a hillbilly because you are a fucking hillbilly.. i don’t think im far off. you should go ask dick cheney if conspiracies exist while he’s fucking you in the ass, along with everyone else in the u.s.. please don’t use examples of people getting sick at pedophile infested disneyland.. has anyone even died yet by the way? im a little confused as the only complete bullshit piece of evidence you can provide is that less people died from measles after the vaccine was administered.. some of them weren’t vaccinated and haven’t died.. i thought measles was a killer plague according to you retards? it must be hard for your children to accept that their father is a fucking fraud, and a contributor to a disgusting regime.. .

  422. you truly aren’t good people.. i just wanted to ask you something though. when would you stop with the vaccines? you actually think its safe to administer 10 vaccines to an infant child? what the fuck is wrong with your brain? too many vaccines i guess.. your children are probably going to grow up all fucked in the head, but at this point i wouldn’t blame the vaccines, id blame the pathetic individual who reproduced as a worthless hack..

  423. so just provide me with some cold hard studies and facts that separate vaccines from the rest of the medical advancements that show clear signs of being effective. if i go stabbing my baby 15 times with mercury, id like some real proof.. not just hypothetical bullshit.. which is really all you can provide.. no one would argue with you if you could.. people don’t believe conspiracies for the sake of believing conspiracies.. peoples genuine concerns come from many cases of neurological disorders, and bad allergic reactions, and no one is able to provide anything concrete as to what vaccines even do.. all you dirty assholes say different shit.. I can’t wait to see the day when all those brain dead assholes lose all their money after the cdc crashes and burns.. these are people i definitely wouldn’t mind seeing jumping out of windows after they lose everything. good luck.

  424. lol i love how on vaccine.gov, their slogan is “your best shot at good health”. makes me laugh uncontrollably.

  425. its also hilarious that the united states has one of the highest infant mortality rates compared to other developed countries.. its a tough game you retards play.. out of 34 developed countries, the united states ranks 7th highest in infant mortality.. i wouldn’t be too proud f myself right now.. seeing as how this is one of your retard arguments

  426. fact of the matter is that if there was sufficient evidence supporting vaccines, they would be mandatory.

  427. So what are your thoughts on the top two lead scientists who worked for Merk twenty years and are now involved in lawsuit against them, saying they falsified the MMR vaccine over more than a decade, when they saw it was losing effectiveness but did not want to give up their patent?
    Federal Judge Darnell Jones just ruled in December 2014 against Merk, who tried to have case thrown out. It will be interesting to see outcome.
    Also, why do only 11% of virologists get vaccinated?

  428. Lol, you really are entertaining. I suppose you serve at least that purpose. Very timely show today on Minnesota’s public radio station. Do you get NPR where you live? Have you ever heard of it? Well, either way, even you seem to be able to access the Net somehow, so I’m sure somebody can help you navigate to the link I’m going to provide for today’s show. It included physicians who don’t appear to be getting paid off by scary BIG PHARMA, or the equally scary guberment. They even provided links not associated with the bad bad CDC or Fed. The message is pretty clear. Who knows, maybe you’ll learn something, though it highly doubt it. Either way, check it out. You can read the transcript, or just listen to the interviews and calls while multitasking on some flat-earth society site. Take care.
    http://www.mprnews.org/story/2015/01/29/daily-circuit-disneyland-measles-vaccine

  429. You pseudoscientists love to jump to conclusions and cherry-pick data, don’t you? It’s your favorite thing to do besides coming up with great conspiracy theories. Here’s a simple article that explains a possible reason – from the Washington Post, so no big pharma or gov’t payoffs.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/09/29/our-infant-mortality-rate-is-a-national-embarrassment/

    You’ll see that most of this horrible infant mortality rate can be attributed to poverty and the way that infant mortality is classified here vs still births in other countries. So, if you want to take up a good cause, go get vaccinated and start a fight against the Koch Bros and all their paid off congressmen and senators who are ok with the top 1% owning 50% of the wealth. Then maybe poor people wouldn’t have to live at the same level as a family from Botswana. There is no component of this contributed to by adverse reactions from vaccines. However, if the anti-vax nutsacks have it their way, that number will soon be significantly higher – ahhh, just like the good old days!

  430. Also as an outbreak starts people’s bodies fight the disease. Maybe it wasn’t the vaccine…is there proof it was the vaccine or did people become immune?? Where did polio come from in the first place and when? During/after hitler or before ?

  431. Nice refutation with no facts to back it up. You should be “lmfbo” bc you seem to be missing a brain.

  432. Assuming dressed yourself this morning you shouldn’t be surprised at how anyone else did.

  433. He can’t answer you until he goes and jizzes on Annie and they check with their supervisor lol

  434. You need to yawn because if you have a brain it’s low on h20 lol. The onlyone who needs a refund is you for your online trolling class…oh wait…your supervisor probably paid for it keyboard scientist lol

  435. Lmfao, my brain is low on H2O? Ummm, do you mean O2? Or do you not understand that complex level of science either?

  436. Whoever wrote this article is an idiot. Sydney Crosby became ill with the mumps AFTER receiving the vaccine for it.

    The author needs to do some serious research, those who choose not to vaccinate, are of no concern whatsoever to the health and/or safety of the public.

    Seriously, stop with spreading the hatred against those who choose not to vaccinate, and try writing an article that isn’t so clearly misinformed and biased.

  437. lol i don’t cherry pick data.. you just have absolutely no data that proves vaccines work.. viruses came from somewhere else.. they don’t just spawn themselves inside unvaccinated humans.. this is where you fucking retards just get lost.. unvaccinated can catch and spread a virus, so who’s to say they don’t get it from the same source as the first human got it.. you retards can’t even say where the viruses come from in the first place.. just that they mutate and change all the time, and expect people to believe that you have a fully working vaccine that accounts for these changes.. vaccines would be mandatory if you quacks had even a shred of evidence supporting anything you say.. you twist the word eradicate around which means “to completely destroy”.. yet vaccines never completely destroyed anything.. maybe some infants lives who have to live with mental disabilities because of fuckheads like you and your filthy family who have no place to tell people how to live their lives, or to treat them like criminals when they make :LEGAL decisions. hopefully the smart people in the united states wipe you fuckheads away like the grime in a toilet bowl.. we can only hope.

  438. lol vaccines work 100% of the time 75% of the time.. how are cdc members not in jail yet for pedophilia or pretending that the word eradicate doesn’t actually mean “TO COMPLETELY DESTROY”.. such a joke

  439. people who use the term anti-vaxx sound like they belong to some satanic cult that sacrifices babies. it doesn’t make you sound smart.. forget the fact that you are some braindead old deaf woman who can only quote false stats from cdc or government websites that are only credible because they say they are credible.. its a damn shame that people like you exist.. people with no lives that spend all their useless time online trying to tell people how to live their lives. no one gives a rats ass what you think. people question vaccines because there is zero evidence that they work.. otherwise they would be mandatory.. people wouldn’t be given a choice if vaccines were 100% effective, but they aren’t even 90%. you wanna tell me where these viruses come from? if you can’t, then you have nothing. just a fucked up old moron that needs to be committed to a cuckoos nest.

  440. lol what the fuck are you even talking about? so because chemtrails aren’t real, it means that the united states government doesn’t fuck you and every other country in the ass on a daily basis so some people can get rich? im finding it harder and harder to even believe that you have anything to do with the medical industry.. now you sound like you didn’t even graduate high school.. what were you fired for being the pathetic weasel you are? is that why you have so much time on your hands? or maybe you are a retired old crackhead with no concept of modern reality or how the world works?

  441. lol industry for 30 years my ass.. maybe 30 years working at mcdonalds? so far you’ve shown nothing.. why don’t you show people some of your own studies that you’ve conducted? instead of getting all your false data from crooked cdc and government sites.. you call yourself a 30 year veteran in the industry and has to use data fabricated by the fda and cdc.. what a joke.. no one respects someone who claims to be a bio engineer but spends all his time cyber arguing with nameless people.. and getting supported by deaf old annie who is convinced that vaccines would have saved her from her stupidity 30 years ago.

  442. lol how is international research funded moron? scientific research is a trillion dollar business.. people don’t just go invent medicine without resources.. cdc fda and government have these financial resources because the government fucks everyone in the ass with taxes. i find it odd how you retards can’t even see how corporations influence government decisions which aren’t always in the best interest of the country and the people.. you really are too old to understand how the world works. its not your fault though.. im sure you were raised by idiots and home schooled or something.

  443. he has no thoughts on that.. he only answers questions about things that he saw on his BBC documentary.. other than that, he hasn’t got a fucking clue about anything.

  444. again, using the term “anti-vaxx” makes you sound like you are in a satanic baby sacrificing cult.. you only accuse people of name calling because you have zero to say. you know you have no evidence, and besides being a little cdc lap dog with nothing to back it up, you really have nothing other than half of a brain and hearing out of one ear.. maybe your bad ear was in the way when people told you that most virologists don’t even vaccinate lol. you should go swallow pastafarians dick. you might be perfect for eachother. you should share vaccine needles, and fuck eachother in the ass. im assuming you have a penis.

  445. pseudoscience is actually perfect for describing vaccine advertisers.. its not 100% effective.. it doesn’t destroy any viruses.. it doesn’t kill the source of the virus.. just because a human being doesn’t catch a virus doesn’t mean he/she was or wasn’t vaccinated.. new viruses get discovered everyday, so vaccines are essentially useless given the fact that they will always be one step behind even if they worked 100% of the time.. the word eradicated by definition means to “completely destroy” which vaccines didn’t do, so that was a total bullshit of a lie by pseudoscientists.. it comes down to biochemistry, and it hasn’t even been enough time to full comprehend how fucked up people will get from imposing vaccines on large populations.. this is why they aren’t mandatory, because they know that when more of these long term cases arise, they will not be able to hide anything. the world runs on a make money while you can basis right now, without caring about how many people you step on in the process. people can buy their way our of legal trouble anyway, and it would never be spoken about again. what makes you sound like a shill is that you call people conspiracy theorists for believing things that have all been realities in the past when it comes to financial fraud and government propaganda.. these things have existed and will continue to exist despite what your little delusional pea brain keeps telling you. this is not about chemtrails, or aliens, or unicorns, so putting someone who knows corporate fraud exists in the same category as someone who thinks reptilians are taking over the world is kind of cuckoo to say the least.

  446. I never said that, you dumb fckstick. I don’t trust anything without evidence and data. Conspiracy and pseudoscience are my enemy. You seem to be fans of both.

    Yes, of course greedy people and corrupt corporations are trying to fck us, but that does not invalidate the science. The field is self-correcting. Fraud or error will be discovered. Theories will be adjusted. New models will be tested. It’s the nature of the beast.

  447. For some reason, there is the impression that is is a two-sided debate where both sides are of equal validity. It’s really no better than evolution vs. Creationism, where one side has decades of data all supported by independent bodies of science, and the other has people’s feelings, and what they “believe.” The two sides are propped up by a fallacy of false equivalence and debated, even though there really is no debate. The same is true of the scientists vs. the anti-vaxxers.

    No system is perfect, and yes, there will always be events driven by greed or corruption. But science is self-correcting, and it doesn’t care how you “feel.” Remember that before you paste another link with the non-peer-reviewed “opinions” of another non-scientist or proven quack selling books or snake oil.

  448. lol im no creationist, and nor am i religious.. but you being the tiny little parasite you are, floating on a rock in the middle of nowhere, who the fuck are you to tell someone who created the universe? i know you must be as old as fuck (most likely senile), but darwins theory has actually lost some credibility over the last few decades.. point is there is no concrete explanation, just theories.. you tell people to give you peer reviewed studies when you can’t even provide legitimate peer reviewed studies that separate vaccines from everything else that existed when vaccines weren’t even widely distributed.. you completely disregard wars ending, people recovering from the great depression.. people weren’t as poor.. living conditions were better.. everything got a lot cleaner.. people knew what the word contagious meant which allowed for diagnosis and quarantine.. babies were no longer born in gross conditions with no one around.. its not my fault you wasted your pathetic life in a useless industry that will eventually die out. even cdc and fda members don’t vaccinate. I wonder why..

  449. what is scary is that the only evidence you have to support your argument is that “big pharma” as you call it.. or anyone associated with “big pharma” couldn’t possibly be an asshole, and wouldn’t possibly do anything to hurt americans.. americans are stupid. they believe everything they hear, because they think it makes them patriotic when they swallow a presidents jizz load. it really doesn’t though. it actually brings the rest of the world together with one giant inside joke to which you are the punchline.

  450. lol so infant mortality is high now because of poverty, but in the 50s infant mortality rates were lower because of vaccines?? who are you people? i guess when you aren’t wearing white bed sheets and chasing black people, you are a part time pretend virologist?

  451. lol “anti-vaxx” as those cult douche bags say isn’t even a movement.. there were people who didn’t vaccinate when vaccines were introduced, and quite possibly the same people who don’t take them today.. and many more who just don’t take them.. its not a movement.. its called a fucking CHOICE.. people just decide not to do it.. its not like everyone bands together and doesn’t get them as a group event.. you are actually the movement with no evidence.. no nothing.

  452. leave it up to stupid americanos to defend a dirty company like disney who employs pedophiles and foreign workers in Bangladesh who make 10 cents an hour in dangerous shitty conditions.. a good day for them is their factory not caving in and killing all 200 of them.. i guess i probably shouldn’t even bother asking if disney vaccinates all its foreign slave workers, because everyone knows the answer to that question.. way too cheap to do that.. i wonder what other ways they cut costs.. when was the last measles outbreak before this? as if disney wouldn’t try to cover their asses by trying to deflect attention away from their filthy ass theme park..

  453. lol u actually think the mumps wouldn’t exist if everyone was vaccinated? can you please tell me where the mumps come from? the exact spot where it originated, and who got it first.. if you can’t, your argument is completely void, and pure bullshit.

  454. lol “basically eradicated”.. what the fuck does that even mean? either something is eradicated, or its not.. why do vaccine advertisers always use that bullshit term? they can’t even tell you where the disease originated from, so to tell people its completely destroyed belongs in jail.

  455. but the funniest part is you can’t provide anything that separates vaccines from everything else in the last 80 years.. in your fucked up brain you actually have the nerve to tell people that infant mortality decreased because of vaccines.. not true.. american infant mortality is still among the highest compared to developed nations.. except now you idiots blame poverty instead.. you pull out that stupid bogus death chart all the time that doesn’t even distinguish vaccinated from unvaccinated, and don’t even comprehend how terrible living conditions were after the great depression and ww2.. there was hardly a middle class.. the baby boom era was not the result of vaccines.. you can’t even provide me with a chart showing how many people were even vaccinated in the 40s,50s and 60s.. which is actually an extremely important piece of evidence that you somehow think isn’t important.. you’re right though, the cdc is indeed a magical organization.. I hear they are actually trying to resurrect jesus so they can crucify him again.

  456. no. first tell me where the disease came from.. mankind cannot destroy a virus without destroying the source.. measles doesn’t just spawn itself inside a unvaccinated person.. it comes from elsewhere.. and unless you tell me where exactly it came from, there is no reason to believe that a vaccinated person can’t get it from that source.. you are just a pathetic idiot with no argument.. people aren’t nice to you because you are a moron.

  457. why do all vaccine advertisers base their arguments off hypothetical bullshit? i thought the cdc said the mumps was eradicated? so how the mother fuck would 98 people have the mumps before they said there was an outbreak? aren’t you going to blame unvaccinated people now with your false hypothetical numbers?

  458. well.. there’s a reason why seat belts are mandatory.. probably because the studies showing less deaths in accidents from the use of seat belts isn’t completely fabricated nonsense… thing is though, seatbelts don’t eliminate accidents, all they do is potentially make the accident more bearable in some cases.. but can be completely irreverent sometimes like you said.. i wear a seatbelt, but im not going to go give all the credit of reduced road moralities to seat belts.. since i actually acknowledge other breakthrough things like airbags, stop signs, traffic lights.. other road signs.. making it illegal to drink and drive..making it illegal to talk or text on a phone and drive.. simply eliminating the number of accidents is the main purpose.. when it comes to an actual number of accidents, seatbelts are irreverent as they do not reduce the chances of you crashing your car. sometimes its just no ones fault.

  459. lol idiot, you don’t even know how many unvaccinated people were involved in this if any.. you only assume that it started with an unvaccinated person because of your deranged theories that measles originally created itself inside an unvaccinated person. the swine flu as well as many other diseases like hiv are known to have originated from certain animals, so why the fuck would anyone believe that these diseases can be fully destroyed by continuously vaccinating human beings who would still be able to catch and spread the disease? just because you can’t answer a simply fucking question, doesn’t mean its a bad question.. it really just means you’re an idiot, and probably wears a leash and a collar with cdc engraved all over it.

  460. lol tiny number is growing? what makes you believe that the number of people vaccinated was ever that high to begin with? most people in the united states with no medical insurance won’t pay for something that they don’t need.. considering they are forced to pay for a whole bunch of other shit that doesn’t benefit them.. one less thing is a godsend for these people.. unfortunately, they make up a good portion of the united states.. and always have.. im not sure where you get your numbers from. cdc?

  461. didn’t the swine flu come from an animal? how in gods name does vaccinated humans with something that isn’t 100% effective eliminate the virus? what if some vaccinated person went and exposed themselves to one of these birds or pigs and caused the outbreak? i guess you’d still blame unvaccinated people like a moron? lol well trained, but can’t answer simply questions. you’d fit right in with the douche bags over at the cdc. you should apply.

  462. You’re a dumb fckstick. You’re not worth the sweat off my piss on a cold day. You think all that shlt just happened by coincidence, and coincidentally viruses and diseases just magically disappeared. What a fcking moron. No, I don’t know how the universe was created. Nobody does. But it sure as fck wasn’t the stories from some moldy old book of fairy tales, asstard. CDC and FDA members don’t vaccinate? You’re a dumb fucktard. Where do you even get this shlt from? I’m done with you, go fck yourself. Your type will die out soon enough. Those will be my last words to you, you pathetic waste of carbon.

  463. sweat off your piss? you mean steam? i mean i know you were only pretending to be a biochemist, but that was fucking retarded.. hopefully you don’t teach your kids things like that or they’d end up in special needs with a helmet..

  464. im curious as to how vaccines cured life expectancy and infant mortality when life expectancy shortly after ww2 was already about 70 years old.. even in parts of asia.. oh and infant mortality rate in the states is still awful.. probably because the objective of the united states government is to make everyone feel as dirt poor as they can i guess so they can latch on to them like parasitic leeches who can’t wipe their own ass. .

  465. http://www.columbia.edu/itc/hs/pubhealth/rosner/g8965/client_edit/readings/week_2/mckinlay.pdf here you go. a little light reading for you. or can you even read? or is it that you only have selective reading skills, and don’t like reading things that don’t support your total waste of an argument.. it only requires your eyes though, so you don’t have to take that giant merck penis out of your mouth to read it. im sure you are good at multi-tasking.

  466. im still trying to figure out how vaccines are supposed to eradicate a virus that comes mostly from animal dna from birds and pigs. i mean it seems highly illogical that you can completely destroy a virus that doesn’t even come from humans by vaccinating humans.. especially with something that you claim only works 90% of the time. can’t anyone get the virus directly from one of these animals then pass it on vaccinated or not? why do you pieces of shit completely ignore this like its not important?

  467. lol because contrary to what you believe, there are selfish pieces of shit.. vaccines aren’t the medical industry.. its like when microsoft keeps releasing software full of bugs and viruses so people are forced to buy more of their products.. its just business. you probably work at mcdonalds

  468. people who compare believing the world is flat to the fact that the united states is shit hole country run by corporations should be committed to a mental institution.. what the fuck do they do to you down south? id say the united states should focus on solving downs syndrome. which is becoming a common trait for you douche bags who actually think your country does anything to help the world. i guess when they run out of babies to murder, and oil and opium to steal, vaccines will probably be made mandatory. that is unfortunately how your piece of trash society works.. you clowns don’t act like a country.. just a bunch of fucked up dick head morons like you who have one too many metal plates in their head from the vietnam war.. where they basically picked names out of a hat and gave people no choice..

  469. lol conspiracy theorists would be funny if they weren’t so dangerous? you should probably come up with some real statistics soon or people just won’t believe any of your bullshit.. the only dangerous ones here are the people who try to convince the world that diseases which come from animals can be solved by vaccinating humans.. thats the united states way of thinking i guess.. shit an obesity problem? well lets just build bigger couches

  470. lol didn’t the cdc admit that the flu shot just flat out didn’t work last year? yeah you can find that pretty much everywhere you look on the internet.. its not some hoax like some of you pieces of slime like to blindly say.

  471. lol and viruses never “magically disappeared”.. until you tell me where these viruses came from, you haven’t a shred of evidence proving that vaccines destroyed any viruses.. without destroying the original source of a virus you haven’t done shit.. all you’ve done is lie and steal from people.. that government has taught you all very well.. fend for yourselves, and when you get caught don’t worry as long as you have a nice stack of cash you’ll be fine.

  472. lol what the fuck is wrong with your brain? the cdc officially claims that a live virus administered through a vaccine can be passed to someone else.. not understanding this is simply ignorant and deranged.. you people are fucked in the head. evolution will take care of you soon. have fun with your unnaturally altered immune system. hopefully your kids get all fucked up in the head so you can stuff their throats with ritalin too.

  473. its really a shame that no one wants to answer my questions.. all these filthy dirt bags pretend to be scientists and virologists claiming that vaccines are the savior of humanity, when they can’t even tell anyone where any of these viruses came from.. lol swine flu came from pigs, so lets destroy the virus by vaccinating humans.. then blame non vaccinated humans when someone gets the swine flu.. its really quite pathetic what the united states has become.. just the anchor of humanity. denial is a really ugly thing.. i wonder what the romans were thinking when their society crumbled into dust

  474. Fuck you, Bert. Fuck you and your anti-vaxx friends. We don’t need more people dying because of you. And I’ve seen friends of mine die because of anti-vaccination bullshit. Stop being an armchair critic of things they don’t fully comprehend. Don’t be a statistic of the proven Dunning-Kruger effect. Don’t be bought into fraudulent claims of bullshit. Just… Just fuck you.

  475. And that’s the point where I tell you to fuck off to the same place as your friend Burt.

  476. That’s wrong, all long term studies have shown absolutely no link between vaccines and any negative side-effects.

  477. I am the ignorant? I never addressed you. Haha, doesn’t mean he got the mumps from someone who was unvaccinated as stated in the headline. The gene is constantly being mutated. We don’t have vaccines for each strain. Keep your comments to yourself buddy!

  478. lol who in their right mind would believe anything from a site called “timesofisrael”.. what a load of garbage.. damn jews and their b.s crap they have the nerve to call science

  479. Your screaming, baseless, antisemitic tantrum aside, the point of the link was to give a quick description of “Dr” Humphries in the eyes of her peers. You are welcome to find the same sentiments expressed elsewhere, you brain dead troll. If you understood even the most basic concepts of science, I wouldn’t have to explain this to you like a small child.

  480. in the eyes of who again? some coward with no life who advertises vaccines on the internet? What a pathetic person you are. I would be humiliated to even be acquainted with you.

  481. eat my ass you worthless parasitic worm.. better yet, go back under that filthy bridge you crawled out of and stay there..

  482. little advice though.. if you want people to take you seriously, id refrain from giving people publications from either israel or the united states.. they are one in the same and full of money mongering criminals. Its not anti-semetic, its reality..

  483. naw, I personally think that the cancers of the world should go first.. so after you.

  484. Hey how come parasites like you call someone anti-semetic without taking into consideration that there are other semites who aren’t jews? is there anything that comes out of your mouth that isn’t wrong and foul smelling?

  485. an·ti-Sem·ite. (ăn′tē-sĕm′īt′, ăn′tī-). n. One who discriminates against or who is hostile toward or prejudiced against Jews. They posted a baseless anti-Jewish comment, thus, the poster is an anti-Semite, by definition. God, you’re stupid. Smfh

    You’re a fcking moron, plain and simple. You’re the kind of person whose ignorance and blatant stupidity will hasten the extinction of our species. Please just go kill yourself before you have any more chance to destroy our gene pool. And for the love of all that does not suck, please don’t breed.

  486. Im embarrassed to be part of the same species as someone as embarrassingly ignorant as you. That’s really about it.

  487. And seriously dude, get a life. You’ve been arguing unsuccessfully on this topic for over 5 months. You clearly don’t know fuckall about science, and really should stick to what you know. So go make me a sandwich, and stfu already. Moronic troll.

  488. I still can’t believe you would show me a publication from “timesofisrael” and expect me to believe its real news.. You might as well just send me articles written by fox jews.. i mean news.. sorry. Im not sure what is baseless about my comment, seeing as how you sent me something written by swine who roll around in their own filth..

  489. Ah, you’ve met the kimble troll.

    Had to do some cleanup earlier. Nothing personal.

  490. Your best off promoting vaccines by not being one sided. This article has a biased agenda; and I caught that in just a few paragraphs. You left out a crucial fact, those who had previously had immunity to the virus actually ended up catching it, and to blame non-vaccinated is plain pseudo science as ‘so says science’ once you have an immunity you have immunity response. If anything it would be the vaccinated gettin’ the non-vaccinated sick as they are carrying the inactivated virus and house the preservatives for it to last, and antibiotics to help immune response to kill the virus. Sooooo I’m just go get some facts somewhere else.. By the way; I’m a pro-vaxxer; but if it smells like shit; looks like shit; and tastes like shit; its shit!

  491. Did you tire out before reaching the second paragraph?

    Vaccination rates were 97% among children 3 years of age, but the highest number of measles cases was among

    Adolescents 12-17 years old. who were 56% of cases.

    Among adolescents, only 22% had received 2 vaccine doses.

    If the point you’re trying to make is you’re a goddămn idiot, congratulations. Mission Accomplished.

  492. This is hilarious considering HARVARD requires everyone be vaccinated and yet dozens of students have come down with the mumps butttttt how? They were vaccinated?

    Good try bro, good try.

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