Scientists find 4.5 billion year old rocks on Baffin Island

silliness. All our rocks are the same age. The water, the air all of it. it might have been re-cycled, as they say, the water we drink went through a dinosaur once or twice. But its still the same water and the same age. I guess you can make new water but then you would say the Hydrogen and Oxygen are the same age…

Free Oxygen, geologically speaking, is one of the last things that ever developed on “our” planet. Hydrogen, on the other hand, is the oldest element in the universe. A good part of the water on the planet was seeded from outer space and brought here by meteorites, and is actually older than the stuff of which the planet is made. What’s more, the water on our planet was present nearly two billion years before a breathable (by us) atmosphere developed. Most of what we consider as “life” couldn’t have lived on the Earth as it was for the first three billion years, or so, of its existence. So, no, the rocks, the water, the air, none of it is the same age.

It can be, and IS accurately measured within 5%. Learn the science behind it.

Read bones of contention and other books. There is plenty of disagreement between all scientists on the age of different things. Its not as cut and dried as articles online make it sound. Do your research.

It’s all BS folks

say what you want.
Sedimentary layers of soil tell the tale.
There is clear evidence that the dinosaurs died out around 65 000 000 years ago.
If anything the earth might be a bit older than 4.5 billion years. Those “scientists” you refer to are not paleontologists or cosmologists, and most of them believe in creationism.

It’s embarrassing that you’re not only a Canadian but that you’re using the logo of the Winnipeg Jets. The only liars in these comments are the science deniers who think everything’s a conspiracy because “goddidit”. Grow up and educate yourself.

Keep telling yourself that. Meanwhile, in the real world…

If the whole universe was made at the same time. Its all the same age.

nope didn’t take long LOL.
They are lied to since birth in many cases. The indoctrination (brainwashing) is like crack to an addict.
…The single-most reason why the world is a little messed up! Its easier to just to simply believe things others believe than actually dedicate any time to available CREDIBLE knowledge that could enlighten one’s mind to actual reality, simply for the sheer lack of the entertainment provided by the study of the required academics needed to arm the tool box of the naturally illogical human mind.
Why even bother try to figure out how reality works…God already did for me!

Simple life gives rise to intelligent life…not the other way around. Makes no sense

Entropy claims the all was once together, when in fact there never was an “all”, as the infinite holds no bounds. People can generally only relate to finite things, due to the limited time we are alive to observe it.
All life force is dependent upon the circumstances that occur with matter as it rotates around stars.
And this is randomized throughout the universe. Life comes from matter when it becomes animated by star radiation…
There does not need to exist a god for that to occur..

No, we have life here on earth so we think life is normal, but existence and matter and the created universe is not the normal way things tend to be and given enough time they would dilute not become more than they are.
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Gravity may concentrate matter, but getting the strong forces and weak forces to make a uniform universe with the current possible atomic structures is not something that just happens.
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Life, the Amoeba with billions of base pairs doesn’t evolve. The Idea of Evolution is a false construct. Things decay, they don’t evolve. Evolution is not in the fossil record. Some mutations in our lives shows that things can get screwed up, but that does not lead to limbs in the right place or eyes and ears. Blind random selection is not needed when the very same fish back in yesteryear in fossil records still exist today. And that Blind accidental change through reproduction does not produce a Dead leaf butter fly for example because many butter flies exist and everyone before it would have existed so even the strongest survived doesn’t make sense. it is a Dead leaf butterfly because it was created by intelligence just like the forces of nature have been. Just our solar system should show any thinking mind how God has put the planets in orbit. Any natural event or events would have had all of them eaten by the sun. Before there was a spark and the sun was a ball of gas. all of it drawing in and compressing, they would have been chunks of what? Rock. how would they be rock. From star dust. the melting furnace for the creation of heavy things. Those explosions would be jumping from solar system to system star to star, and I see no place for the forming of planets. To suggest that gravel the size of our planet would then heat up and become our planet and that the rest would then be cleared up and eaten by the sun is a real wild story. Specially when some of our planets are gas planets. Then there is the moon just nicely cycle around our earth and other moons around other planets. Thats far too neat and tidy for random events. Moons to small for this supposed molten rounding. The only way to create a narrative like that would be to suggest that the rock planets where shot out of the Sun the size they are, in a molten state and then cooled round. But like a pin ball machine, they would go out and come back in. Not cycle around the sun. And then that would lead to the concept of our planet being from another solar system ejected from that sun traveling through till it got caught in our suns gravity.
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You can create all kinds of conjecture. But that doesn’t make it science. It is next to bold face lying. yet, while its 2016 years since Christ was born on the earth, many will say he never existed. Imagine that. Will bet their lives on conjecture about where their planet came from, but will deny provable history. And that is where I have seen the actual motive behind much of the trash called science coming across our computer scenes these days.

You should be aware that every living thing is comprised of cells which divide. Each of those cells is a lone micro-organism, which all live in symbiosis. Which means that you have 1 body, comprised of trillions of independent organisms which all work together to survive.
Life evolves…
At the advent of life sprouting on earth the process was the same. Micro-organisms combining to present diversity and adaptation.
These are facts. You have not mentioned any facts, only concepts which will not, and can never be proven.
There is no law against believing, so have ater

I think they fit. Its not an attempt. the first 9 verses in the bible prove to me that God did things. Knowing that the land was under the water can be verified by sedimentary layers. Also this concept of continental plates and uplift also has been verified. Scientifically. it would have been impossible for Moses or some previous writer to know these things about the way our land masses move and what has happened. While it is a very general statement its right on the money.
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I believe that Moses 3,500 years ago, took secondary information about events preceding him, (two separate creation accounts) and included them in the bible. I am all for science, and am glad to see geology move forward. But the Bible doesn’t contradict the findings, they support actual science before that science was there to be studied.
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Clearly its not a detailed account but thats fine, The bible only has general statements about creation to relate it to the relationship God wants with mankind.
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I love it that God discusses Dinosaurs with Job and that they are mentioned in Psalms. But have only been discovered in our recent history. Liberals might want to try and avoid these hard facts. there are liberals that would say the Job and Psalms reference was about Hippos and Crocodiles. That is not what the scripture shows.
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What I am saying is, don’t buy the crap that is intentionally trying to distance you from God. If we can exist, God can also exist. And from what I have seen and from what I can figure, he does exist, he has created all things, and there is no need to create these articles only but to attempt to create a back story against God centered creation but when you look at the actual science, there is not behind these articles. All of it is conjecture.
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One other cool thing is that the bible mentions that the morning stars sings together.
Job 38:7King James Version (KJV)
7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
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That slice of text mentions the morning star. But only recently we have realize through science that it is a twin star and “sings” together. And its not fair to include Venus in that because it shows up at night too and isn’t a star. But Sirius is. And it would be impossible for them to know it was a Binary star. What God said to Job would have not made total sense to them, but it revealed that it wasn’t some Jewish writer creating a hoaxy story but a account of a conversation God was having with Job.
I realize these sort of things are very sparse but they shouldn’t be discounted as lucky guesses. But clues, that science can pick up on.
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Another interesting thing looks accidental is, when God says the two will become one flesh. Until recently we didn’t know that DNA is actually half of one spouse genetically and half of the other. the two actually become one. There is lots of this sort of thing. And these people where not cave men making up stories. They where building complex system, smelting copper and bronze etc. These people wrote down things that happened, and now we see they where not way out of line. I still couldn’t smelt any metal.
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Funny thing about Sirius and some other stars close by, if they have mass ejections and create stellar wind in theory they could affect our planet. Who knows they may be responsible for the KT boundary. seen in the rock layers. Its an important star to the past history of the Egyptians. But its only the bible that mentions it as two.
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there is so much from sanitary rules and hand washing to farming practices that we still used today from crop rotation to removing walls covered in mold to sanitize a place. Only recently have we realized that Mold has roots. And even if you bleach Mold, the root remains and can re-grow. So in Construction we either remove the walls, the drywall etc. OR we seal them with a Kills Paint that encapsulates the mold.
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so what I see is a fight of bigotry, not a fight between science and a biblical document. The bible and Christians support good science.

Galaxies make perfect sense. They do have an effect on surrounding matter, in fact galaxies are in clusters and orbit around one another similar to the way planets revolve around stars.
It does not fit. There are multiple inaccuracies and contradictions, and genesis is a terrible description.
for example – there was never darkness upon the face of the deep. The earth was a molten ball way to hot to exist liquid water for there even to be a “deep”
Furthermore, the sun was already burning at that point for around 500 000 000 years, so no…nobody could have ever said “let there be light”
seeing that the sun was already there for hundreds of millions of years.
That is one example of a multitude

The problem with any theology, is that is tends to negate critical thinking and substitute causation and effect for causation from god. Then when the truth becomes undeniable, religion admits its was wrong and assimilates the scientifically proven fact (after forgiving whoever burnt all the witches and warlocks and beheading all the infidels), incorporating and changing the paradigm to fit the new information that has been proven out of the ashes
Science does this as well, but without holding the delusion that is intrinsic to the false premise of truth, that all things need a creator to exist, when clearly it is the un-animated that becomes the animated. It is the simple that develops the complicated.
Considering it took approx. 13.8 billion years to evolve complex life as we know it is the current cosmic expansion, it does not make any sense in my opinion that a entity or life such as an omnipotent being would even be bothered at all to do such things, as they simply would not be necessary given the idea that life already evolved into a god.
Simply, rocks and raw elements do not start out with personalities that make conscious decisions, and all energy is exuded from matter, matter is not a result of energy. Its consumed and converted into energy, so therefore there can not be an exterior force that does not involve the consumption of matter. There is no such thing as an intangible, without the corresponding tangible to define it.
There is no Grand intelligence, or else everybody would know everything intrinsically. Free will is simply a function of biology, and is a result our 5 senses reacting to the environment. Our brain is developed primarily because our hands are capable of fine motor skills, whereas the rest of the animal kingdom does not have that attribute, because they simply did not need it to survive. In nature, what is not needed is omitted in general, which is why cave enclosed fish species are undergoing reverse biological evolution…the eyes are not needed, so they grow over and begin to return to the brain whence they evolved from.

I think that could be true if nothing ever touched anything else and there was no forces. But because of Gravity and the effect of things canceling each other out, there is a decay of the total potential of everything. I wonder if anyone calculated how long a atom would stay in the form of a atom if it was alone in space for infinity. how long would the Electrons spin around lets say a Helium atom till it was no more, and until those fundamental parts where not able to hold together.
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Unfortunately Decay is a fundamental principle of our universe. What I said in the beginning, that is the reason I see a need for a God, We and all we see is basically a glorified gas tank running out.

Your first statement starts your comment on the wrong footing. Theology is a organized belief system built on a lot of critical thinking. But like anything, when people ignore things or misread things no matter how critical the thinking the conclusions are wrong. Thats what has happened with a lot of science.
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When you say there is no grand intelligence you’re off the rails. Because you make conclusions and are ignoring or misreading things. I don’t doubt your critical thinking. Its funny that you assume to know why we have brains and the animal kingdom has less.
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Cave fish are interesting, but they also gain back those eyes if taken from the cave. In a few generations, the DNA puts it all back. Funny that it some how knows to activate that portion of DNA
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We could get into some deep stuff about DNA and Ameoba’s and Bacteria Flagellum and the chemical motors made in nature etc. showing intelligent design, But I would guess, you will have some excuse for those things. So ahead of time, Merry Christmas, Happy Easter and all that. Cheers.

There is no critical thinking when key facts are unknown, like they were not known when the God delusion with contrived.

Hoax – I apologize for responding to you in this thread, but I was away for the long weekend and only had a chance to read your latest response late yesterday, and the thread is now closed on iPolitics.
I’m done debating with you because you aren’t interested in a debate. You aren’t interested in a formal discussion where opposing arguments are put forward. You are unable or unwilling to consider new information or data that is contrary to your experience, or conflicts with your religion’s teachings. You are only interested in your belief system, and should anyone presents facts, evidence or proofs that don’t fit with your narrow view of the world, you dismiss them and their argument outright.
For example, according to formal rules of a debate, I’ve proven that the War on Drugs declared by the Nixon White House had nothing to do with public safety or any health concerns stated publicly by Nixon, or any other American president since. The War on Drugs was designed to attack, harass and disrupt Nixon’s purported enemies, more specifically the anti-war left (e.g. hippies) and the black community, a policy that continues to satisfy the White House’s needs even today.
The reason I can state this as fact is that John Ehrlichman, Nixon’s White House Counsel (e.g. the president’s legal adviser) and Chief Domestic Adviser (e.g. the White House senior staffer responsible for domestic affairs on behalf of the president) said so over 20 years ago. He died in 1999, but never sued writer Dan Baum for libel and/or slander with regards to the answer attributed to him as to why the Nixon White House launched the War of Drugs. Whether you care this is the ‘real’ reason or not is irrelevant – this is the answer, as admitted to a writer researching a book about the history of the War on Drugs by a Nixon confidant who was so close and loyal to the president that he served time in a federal prison for his role in the Watergate affair. Why can you not admit this is the simple reason for Nixon declaring a War on Drugs?
You are confusing is your personal experience with knowledge. I’m saddened that your family has addiction issues, but for you to translate that very personal experience into a blanket statement such as “I have seen to much harm come by drugs I don’t need a Gov’t to tell me what is right or wrong” does not help your argument at all.
You don’t care and remain ignorant of the fact that the cannabis plant has been used for centuries as medicine to reduce pain and inflammation, as an anticonvulsant, an anti-tumour and anti-depressant.
You may be surprised to learn that drug company GW Pharmaceuticals has been studying and researching THC and CBD, components of the cannabis plant, in an effort to synthesize and patent derived compounds to treat cancer pain, childhood epilepsy and multiple sclerosis (MS) – conditions the Cannabis sativa L. plant has been treating (naturally) for hundreds of years.
Even the example you use, the rap song titled ‘Because I Got High’ doesn’t support your argument. In the last line of the song, the singer confesses that he is ‘singing the whole thing wrong, because {he is} high’.
The irony is that the signer, Afroman, an admitted, habitual pot smoker, not only managed to write the song, but also record it, release it to critical acclaim, and has performed it round the world. Since then, he has released 15 albums of original music. Not bad for song you believe was ‘written by a guy who was successful but saw the problem with it, and how it damages lives.’ It didn’t stop Afroman from enjoying weed, nor did it stop him from releasing a newer version in 2014 to highlight the usefulness of marijuana as part of the fight to legalize it across the U.S.
You likely know most rock artists are habitual pot (and other drugs) users. What you may not know is that many country artists are (or have) admitting their love for the weed. Willie Nelson and Merle Haggard sing a song called ‘It’s All Going To Pot’; Tony Keith recalls smoking joints with Willie Nelson in ‘Weed with Willie’; Blake Shelton muses about ‘Ready to Roll’; Jamey Johnson moans about the ‘High Cost of Living’; Hank Williams Jr. recalls being ‘Stoned at the Jukebox’; even Johnny Cash, sings ‘Sunday Morning Coming Down’. And that’s just a quick list off the top of my head.
Do you like movies? Are you a fan of Arnold Schwarzenegger? Pothead. How about old Hollywood he-men John Wayne or Robert Mitchum? Both potheads.
That iPhone you have in your hand? Conceptualized by habitual pot smoker and LSD user Steve Jobs. Jobs once told an interviewer that “Doing LSD was one of the two or three most important things I have done in my life”. Not to mention the device was engineered by drug users, or that those apps you find so useful were probably designed by pot heads. You want to know how I’m so sure? There have been many articles recently revealing the difficulties the FBI, RCMP and other security agencies are having in filling programmer and developer positions, as most of the most talented potential employees are unable to pass the drug screening.
I also find it ironic you believe Rastafari to be ‘counterfeit Christians’. This is a sect that traces its origins to the Church of Alexandria, founded by Saint Mark (yes, the author of the Gospel of Mark) which became the Coptic Church known today.
Your particular sect, Evangelicalism, only dates back to the 18th Century, and is itself an evolution of the Church of England (Anglican), through a series of re-interpretations of the bible: pietism, Presbyterianism, and Puritanism. The Church of England itself was founded because the Roman-Catholic Church (e.g. The Pope) wouldn’t let King Henry VIII divorce his first wife in order to marry Anne Boleyn, making it a reinterpretation of the Catholic Church as founded by the first bishop of Rome, Saint Peter.
Further, your assertion that just because someone can’t recite the chapter and verse of bible passages doesn’t mean they are bad (or counterfeit) Christians – it just means they may have issues with memorizing.
Recall that we had a discussion about the ‘meaning’ of ‘meat’ as found in Genesis 1:29. Your perception and understanding of the passage, and I quote, “You are so wrong to associate the eating of meat with Pot”, when according to the rules of a debate, I proved that there are issues with the KJV translation, and that a more recent translation, the New International Version (NIV) replaces ‘meat’ with ‘food’. Add to that that I demonstrated that science considers the hemp plant (as well as its cousin the cannabis plant) a source of complete protein – just like meat and fish.
The only doubt left is in your perception of the world, and there is nothing, no evidence I can show to you that will cause you to reconsider everything you believe to be true. You are unwilling or unable to process any new information or perspectives I or others have presented to you.
It makes me sad. And is why I’m ending our correspondence.

No dont know the bible that well. I have read it a few times. But i find it takes a lot for it to sink in. So i try to read a book in the bible a few times before moving on. But i think its worth it.
As for evidence the dead leaf butterfly is everything.. so is a barrel eye fish. Hands down. Etc.

Interesting stuff but its all wrong. Not only does the fossil record preserve proof that evolution wasn’t needed. Ergo the fish are still here regardless of enviromental.. 10s of thousands of other examples prove the same. And majically aliens took all the intermediates that are not existing now or in the fossil record. Millions of abductions i guess.

Jesus was a man who believed he was god. Others believed him, but he was not proclaimed as one until the Nicene creed, which was hundreds of years later…
Out of convenience, as to merge religion into a single dominating force to control humanity, and to silence any oppositional arrangement.
That Constantine was a real beastard. It was not until 1500 years later that free thinking was organized, and sub sequentially, the idea that the earth was not the centre of the universe.
Anyone who was vocally against the church was proclaimed a heretic and burned over a period of 600 years…
So if you want to know why Jesus is so popular…there’s the reason. No one dared to oppose the creationist paradigm.
Its still happening to this day in the middle east.

This Idea of extinction is actually false. The fossil record and its layers provides “extinction event” records you would think, but the fossils found like fish and ferns and bugs and clams and foxes etc. are all still living today. so much for the extinction events that fossilized them.
And so much for evolution seeing they are unchanged. Sure there are extinctions. The white rhino and maybe the giraffe will come soon if we are not careful, maybe a owl or two too.
The Dinosaur also went extinct. But we don’t see millions of small changes between mice and men, between fish and froxgs. Even the Mudskipper is as it was. This Idea of Evolution is false.
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Sure we have a similar DNA structure. Life is made using this code. It does not mean that things evolved. That is not science, not seen as reality. There is no proof that information was added to the genome over time. In fact. You cannot get DNA from stones. You couldn’t use Science to show that if you wanted too. All you can do is look at existing animals and create a conjecture that they are not creations but a stack of things where fish came before Alligators and they share some DNA cause they have DNA. But in the fossil record. There isn’t this sweet division of plants then fish then animals then bigger animals etc. thats a Myth. Most of the layers in the Grand canyon are of next to nothing, and then in the top layer or two is all the things we know and love. I think the proof would be that all of that is from the ocean, or a inner ocean that formed in a very short time and then drained away. And those layers can be seen across the world, on every continent.
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So there is no proof of evolution. Proof against it, and the fact that life is based using DNA is not proof one came from the other.
Design by DNA that has no eyes to see, made things like the Dead leaf butterfly when all the other kinds survive just fine, but it is refined to look exactly like a dead leaf. That and many others prove that God intentionally with artistic ability, specifically made them using DNA tweaking them. And that this DNA is a code and can be tweaked to do that.
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So while Science sees the DNA is tweakable, that its wonderful, that every human is a mix of two different DNA’s and none the same. It is not proof of evolution, but a very creative resourceful God.

Darwin was a kid but was good with drawing. He had no dna or fossil evidence and like many of the over reaching scientists today lie. They say what they say without the actual science behind what they say.
The actual science. The actual rocks bluntly say evolution is a hoax. They didnt accidentally match what we have living today.. and its no bloody accident that the billions of transitions are missing. Its a smoking gun of epic proportions.. and only a massive wopper of a delussion could hide that fact from any honest scientist.

So? Albert Einstein was not

He was also Bigoted toward atheists, as are you.
He was also corrupt and retired in disgrace.

Science isn’t about blind guesses Hoaxy. And I’m glad to hear you are on board with good science. Looking forward to you apologizing for your years of embarrassing posts about evolution.
Try to keep any hysterical rebuttal under 50 words.

I am not corrupt, but I am to a degree bigoted against Atheists. Who isn’t.

You are in luck. I have been a Christian for about 35 years. So enough water is under the bridge that I got some good true stories for you, and one big difference among Christians is their depth of relationship with God. There is nominal Christians that sort of live as a Christian, and then there are more serious ones. And out of those serious ones, there are those that are on the more radical side because of Gods work in their lives. I am one of those. I don’t like talking Churchy, so its not that I have been churchified, actually I am a bit rough around the edges, but. I got a great relationship with Jesus Christ and My Faith is Rock solid. Basically i Love God, and I know God loves me, and we are living our lives out together on this ball of dirt flying through the cosmos he created. I think we both get a kick out of it.

The bible is a baby’s toy compared to an advanced chemical engineering textbook.

Even an entry level calculus textbook is more difficult to comprehend.
Read Heart of Darkness by Joseph Conrad. Even that is more difficult.

you grow up fool

I think that was one of the longest delays in a response I have ever seen.